It's in the game!
I made this statment prior to the official documents being released. I was pissed at the riders being proclaimed guilty by the media not the officials.
Yes, how dare they do anything to clean up the sport that dosen't meet with your approval. Personally I'd like to see them go to a one time, lifetime ban, you get caught you never race again, I think they should do anything to protect the sport from this crap. It's pretty obvious that doping is very wide spread, and while I would like almost nothing more than to see Jan win this years tour, the one thing I would like more is the ability to atleast believe that some rider is clean, which is currently not the case. So Vino dosen't ride the tour this year, it's not a life changing deal, does it suck, yup, but you know what, life sucks sometimes.dagger said:If I was a professional cyclist I would be pissed if newspapers and organizations could accuse me of doping without proof. This crap is getting out of hand and the cyclists need to just all go on strike. Screw the ASO, Le Equipe, and El Pais for just making a freak show out of this.
atpjunkie said:1 year ban if they 'come clean' and lifetime if they don't and are found guilty/QUOTE]
Better yet, if they're found guilty, 10 members of opposing teams would be given free reign to beat the guily one with broken spokes and used inner tubes! :mad2:
Einstruzende said:I wouldn't say there is no proof, after all weren't there like 200 bags of blood? If a rider wants to prove their innocence, then provide a sample. I wonder if the UCI would be able to provide a sample on their behalf...it's not like these folks haven't given blood before.
No newspaper is making anything up. There have been leaks, speculation, but tomorrow morning the full list will arrive, from dna matched blood. Then they will be branded as cheats and forever remembered in the biggest doping scandal in sports history.dagger said:If I was a professional cyclist I would be pissed if newspapers and organizations could accuse me of doping without proof. This crap is getting out of hand and the cyclists need to just all go on strike. Screw the ASO, Le Equipe, and El Pais for just making a freak show out of this.
Actually, the logic appears to be more like "someone alleged that my friend cheated, so you failed him"reporterkyle said:The logic in that is like saying, "You caught my friend cheating, now I'm going to boycott because you caught them." WHAT?!? That makes no sense.
I believe what you meant is "some dopers are out of the race". What we have now is a field not involved with Fuentesreporterkyle said:Quite frankly, the rest of the TdF field should be glad the dopers are out of the race.
The right thing to do is to axe anyone who is suspected?reporterkyle said:I'm disappointed that Ullrich and Basso are part of this and won't race, but axing them and everybody else is/was the right thing to do
or, perhaps, worriedreporterkyle said:The rest of the pro peloton should be thankful
Shelby1004 said:You are half right and Lance is no doubt getting a good laugh. Too bad he isn't in shape, he could win 8 in a cake walk now(barring illness, injury or bike trouble).
I know guys are on all types of stuff. I use to race BMX in my teens, and I saw guys shoot up at the World Championships. Did UCI officials say a word? NO.
Lance may/maynot (your opinion their) of used EPO in 1999. But, it was semi-legal seeing no test could catch it. Then they thaw urine in 05 and say he used it. 1 sample, no cross match and he was "guilty to atleast the French".
Now we have a ton of guys, and most are looking VERY guilty. So, what do you do?
1- Test them everyday all year? Could work, or atleast say every 2 weeks.
2- Let them ride and who cares.
3- Ban users and hope the races are still exciting and not just gruleing grind out pedal strokes.
I feel they nailed Lance to make him look bad, US has alot of TV viewers and tourists making alot of money during the TDF in France. Pull Lance in for ANOTHER race...more $$$. But, I think atleast 50% of the guys now ARE guilty.
It should make the race more fair...could BIG GEORGE win now? Alot better odds now than last week.
Last, you need more than 1 strand of hair whoever said that. DNA in hair is fine. BUT, as it grows the chemical grows out with it. So, in say 2 months...it normaly is gone. Seen many long haired pro cyclists lately? SMART move to avoid hair tytpe tests.
Yeah... They want to know if people are still watching and whether it's still on TV, internet, radio and newspapers. Until that stops happening the money will come. It may slow down a bit and cause a recession in the sport for a year or two but that's about it.percy said:Can you imagine the discussions taking place today in the corporate board rooms of the affected sponsors?