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Nightmare scenario.........nothing you can do to protect yourselves.

I think they will be identifing bodies for a while.

Sad

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Len J said:
Nightmare scenario.........nothing you can do to protect yourselves.

I think they will be identifing bodies for a while.

Sad

Len
Where is San Bruno?
 

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Seriously sucks. Really hope PG&E doesn't get evasive/defensive about it, and GJ to every fire department that acted on it. That fire was huge, and hope the survivors are able to recover from it soon.

I left San Bruno Mountain shortly before it occurred. Can't say I could've done anything about it if I stayed and saw, but eh.
 

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tragic... but not as isolated as you might expect.

here in DFW, the local gas co has had to start making "expedited" replacements to miles and miles of buried lines that are corroding, after a series of over a dozen house explosions were traced to them.

I expect this is happening in other places too... no idea if it's the cause in San Bruno.
 

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Dave Hickey said:
That was tragic.... Any idea why the gas line ruptured?
Corroded gas lines. There are reports that the neighborhood had reported smelling gas earlier.
 

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Where is San Bruno?
South of San Francisco - SF Airport is nearby, which is why some initially thought it was a plane crash.
 

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Wow. Terrible.

What kind of prevention and preparation can a family have against that?

The randomness of this thing called life, just how fragile everyone we know and love REALLY is -- sometimes I am awestruck by it.
 

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Wow. Terrible.

What kind of prevention and preparation can a family have against that?

The randomness of this thing called life, just how fragile everyone we know and love REALLY is -- sometimes I am awestruck by it.
Nope...it's the proverbial "hit by a bus" scenario. No way to prepare. It is just a tragic accident. Whether it was preventable or not is up for debate.
 

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Argentius said:
Wow. Terrible.

What kind of prevention and preparation can a family have against that?

The randomness of this thing called life, just how fragile everyone we know and love REALLY is -- sometimes I am awestruck by it.
Like BoJo said, you can't really prepare for it. But I do recall one time when I was a kid, our house had a gas leak in it. We were young and didn't know what the "egg smell" was, but my parents sure new. They grabbed our coats and made us get out of the house ASAP, meanwhile phoning the gas company to let them know we had an emergency situation. One thing my parents told us was to NOT TURN ON THE LIGHT SWITCHES as we were gathering our things while getting ready to leave the house. The little spark that happens when lights are turned on is enough to ignite the gas and blow your house to kingdom come.
 

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Latest count is 4 ppl dead, dozens of homes destroyed, several dozen ppl injured (serious burns in many cases, I'd imagine) :(

I commute up and down 280 on the way to SF State a couple of times per week, this happened about 1/2 mile off that freeway. I also have friends that live only one town over.

They were showing pics of the blast crater on the local news, it's pretty sizable. Only thing you can really compare this to is a very large bomb going off in a suburban neighborhood. It's pretty bizarre.

The NHTSA is on the case investigating, if they find that PG&E had its head up its arse on this one, some heads are gonna roll. People are shocked and angry.
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Not surprising at all. We assume infrastructure is forever.

Roughly half of the water infrastructure in this country is beyond its designed life. In 20 years that number will be about 75%. Steel pipes have a finite life due to gradual corrosion reducing the cross section of the pipe.

This kind of stuff will increase asymptotically until we start digging up piplines that are past their serviceable life.
 

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Bocephus Jones II said:
Nope...it's the proverbial "hit by a bus" scenario. No way to prepare. It is just a tragic accident. Whether it was preventable or not is up for debate.
Incorrect.

See Bent's post - this is not only preventable, but predictable in the same way that Ford Motor ran the numbers on the cost of the Pinto's exploding gas tank. The regulated gas utilities know full well their lines are aging. Do the public officials that do the regulating?
 

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yup

BentChainring said:
Not surprising at all. We assume infrastructure is forever.

Roughly half of the water infrastructure in this country is beyond its designed life. In 20 years that number will be about 75%. Steel pipes have a finite life due to gradual corrosion reducing the cross section of the pipe.

This kind of stuff will increase asymptotically until we start digging up piplines that are past their serviceable life.

part of the cuts the govt has made since the 80s is all infrastructure. Much was due for upgrades then, so we are presently 30 years behind.

water, bridges (the one collapsing in MN) dams, gas lines, all falling apart

and sadly we've also cut the # of inspectors so less to find the probelms both small and catastrophic

so we get what we pay for sadly and I don't think this will be the last collapsing infrastructure tragedy
 
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