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stevesbike said:
anyone happen to see if they've posted somewhere Sastre's time up (since 1999 they've officially recorded the times up the last 14km). Schleck's time in 06 was 40'46"
Was listening to Eurosport UK at work today.. (Shhh...) and I think I recall them saying it was 39'45" or something like that. Certainly not in the questionable time range.
 

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Yep... according to the wikipedia entry, Sastre's climb today was 17th fastest.

One thing that that is funny... if you look at all 16 of the entries above Sastre's... pause and look at each name and think about that rider's background/rumours... and just go "Hmmmmm..."
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Glad to see Sastre finally grab a yellow jeresy... he seems like a nice dude. Never heard him say a bad word about anyone. And I always though it was cool that his father started an after school cycling club for troubled/poor kids. It's neat that now they can all enjoy today.
 

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Top 10 are:

bigmig19 said:
I thought it was Pantani then Armstrong off the top of my head. True?
Here's the top 10:

1 Marco Pantani 37'35 (1997)
2 Lance Armstrong 37'36 (2004)
3 Marco Pantani 38'00 (1994)
4 Lance Armstrong 38'01 (2001)
5 Marco Pantani 38'04 (1995)
6 Jan Ullrich 38'23 (1997)
7 Floyd Landis 38'34 (2006)
8 Andreas Klöden 38'35 (2006)
9 Jan Ullrich 38'37 (2004)
10 Richard Virenque 39'02 (1997)

Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul24news3
 

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MG537 said:
Here's the top 10:

1 Marco Pantani 37'35 (1997)
2 Lance Armstrong 37'36 (2004)
3 Marco Pantani 38'00 (1994)
4 Lance Armstrong 38'01 (2001)
5 Marco Pantani 38'04 (1995)
6 Jan Ullrich 38'23 (1997)
7 Floyd Landis 38'34 (2006)
8 Andreas Klöden 38'35 (2006)
9 Jan Ullrich 38'37 (2004)
10 Richard Virenque 39'02 (1997)

Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul24news3
The top 10 list of cheats or suspected cheats. It appears that the tour might be cleaning itself up. Sastre was 2 minutes behind and didn't appear to be riding as though he was on a motorcycle like others in past years.
 

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ECF said:
Was listening to Eurosport UK at work today.. (Shhh...) and I think I recall them saying it was 39'45" or something like that. Certainly not in the questionable time range.
Until you look not only at those above him, but those below him that are known or suspected dopers...He's right in the middle of them and that list is completely filled with them....which to me puts it in the "Questionable" time range.

Personally, I don't think he's any "Cleaner" than the rest on the top 30 list...but don't really care much because it makes it more fun to watch.
 

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Cevan said:
I'm not a Lance appologist, but I believe his time was from the TT up the Alpe, so I would imagine he had fresher legs at the base of the climb.

Yep! You're right, and think about yesterday and all the riders went though before they even got to L'Alpe. There is a big difference between that and just starting at the bottom.

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Cevan said:
I'm not a Lance appologist, but I believe his time was from the TT up the Alpe, so I would imagine he had fresher legs at the base of the climb.
Four of the top times ahead of Sastre were from the 2004 TT up Alp D'uez...So technically you could move his time to #13 on the list due to the fresher legs of those riders that did it in the TT.
 

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MG537 said:
Here's the top 10:

1 Marco Pantani 37'35 (1997)
2 Lance Armstrong 37'36 (2004)
3 Marco Pantani 38'00 (1994)
4 Lance Armstrong 38'01 (2001)
5 Marco Pantani 38'04 (1995)
6 Jan Ullrich 38'23 (1997)
7 Floyd Landis 38'34 (2006)
8 Andreas Klöden 38'35 (2006)
9 Jan Ullrich 38'37 (2004)
10 Richard Virenque 39'02 (1997)

Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul24news3
There is often confusion as to the time up the Alp, some measure it from the round about, others from the base. I think the base is the best measurement as that is the true start of the climb....I am not sure which Sastre's time was, I think it was from the base

1. Pantani (1995), 36:50
2. Pantani (1997), 36:55
3. Pantani (1994), 37:15
4. Armstrong (2004), 37:36
5. Ullrich (1997), 37:40
6. Armstrong (2001), 38:01
7. Indurain/Zulle (1995), 38:10
8. Riis (1995), 38:15
9. Virenque (1997), 38:20
10. Landis (2006) 38:34
 

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DASS said:
as I recall, one of those, maybe Floyd or Kloden, was not a winning time. It was for second place (or further back?). Amazing that they would make the top 10 and still not win the stage.

Not really...if somebody had a 20 minute headstart due to an early break away...that's pretty hard to make up on a climb that takes the top 30 around 37-45 minutes to climb.

The guy with the break is way up the road while the GC contenders are sitting back when the fireworks start. They cut the 20 minute leaders lead down to 5 minutes making up 15 minutes on the climb...the GC guys climbed it much faster even though they didn't win the stage.
 
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