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Seven vs Serotta

I have been riding a Seven for a little over a year now and I picked up a Serotta about a week or so ago. I would definitley find someone that is ceritifed and does great bike fits. I only have a couple of miles on the Serotta since I have been moving the last week but the fit is about 180 degrees opposite my Seven. My experience was that the Serrota fit was more accurate and scientifically calculated. They used a mock up build and spent hours working with me. My fit for the Seven was fairly quick and alot of it was eye balled. I wish I knew then what I know now. My advice make sure you know what you want and find someone that will take the time to work with you. Fit is everything.

My Serotta dealer told me that the fit is guarenteed. If it does not fit or I do not like it then it is the fitter problem not Serotta's. At which point the Fitter/LBS will deal with it and do whatever it takes to have my bike fitting correctly. Make sure the Serotta dealer/fitter is certified.

Hope this gives you some food for thought.

Pat
 

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Seven with Serotta fit

I purchased my Seven at a shop that sold Serotta also. The fit was done by a Serotta certified technician. My wife incidently got a Serotta there. I think the Serotta fit system with the mock up bike makes sense. You get on it and at least for the time you are in the shop get some idea what the bike will feel like. Still not perfect but make sense.
 

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They're both great bikes, but different!

I have a Ti Legend and a Ti Axiom. Both are custom bikes. I was measured for the Seven by a Serotta Fit Technician on a Serotta Fit Bike. I puchased the Legend slightly used when I found a frame that matched the geos of my Seven. Both of my bikes have similar setups. The Legend is outfitted with DA9 and the Seven with DA10. Both bikes have the same bar, stem, saddle, wheel and tire configurations. Here's my take on the bikes:

Axiom: Very smooth riding bike. Smooth and responsive is how I would describe the ride. This bike has 7cm BB drop. Drivetrain rigidity is adequately stiff without being harsh. I weigh 170 lbs and can crank up hills without any noticeable rub or flex whatsoever. A very nice ride overall. Descending at high speeds, the bike is solid, but does require your attention. I feel slightly less "secure" at high speeds on the Axiom than I do on the Legend. I think this is due to Axiom's higher BB. Total bike weight: 16.3 lbs

Legend: Almost as smooth as the Axiom, but not quite. This bike has a 8 cm BB drop. This effectively puts the BB closer to the ground. The bike is noticeably less agile (side to side) than the Seven. Put another way, the bike is more stable than the Seven. Others would say it feels sluggish. The drivetrain rigidity of this bike feels similar to the Seven. During high speed descents, this bike corners and tracks like it is on rails. This bike inspires more confidence on a high speed descent than my Axiom, to a slight, but noticeable degree. Total bike weight: 17.2 lbs

Summary: Both bikes are great rides. The differences I have highlighted are subtle at most. I probably ride the Seven just a bit more than the Legend. The Seven is a very smooth, responsive ride IMHO. The Legend has a less agile (more stable) feel to the ride and definitely has the advantage on high speed descents.

Keep in mind, one person's "agile" is another's "skittishness". My "stable" may be your "sluggish".

IMHO you can't go wrong with either bike. Both companies are capable of building you a world class quality bike. Good luck!:thumbsup:
 

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Got the Seven

I posted last year on Seven vs. Serotta. I got the Seven Axiom.SG set at the default stiffness of 7 on a scale of 1-10 (as per Seven's system). I tried a Calfee carbon and a Serotta Legend before I ended up with the Seven. I felt the Seven was the smoothest of the three.
In the subsequent 10 months I have been very satisfied with my bike. It seems plenty stiff (I am 200 lbs) and it is "agile". I had a Lemond Zurich. The Zurich was like a car with a 45 foot turning radius the Seven has a 35 foot radius. The quality is first rate and I have had no problems.
My wife got a new bike after I got mine. She also test road a variety of bikes and ended up with a Serotta Nove. A combo carbon-Ti bike. She feels like it rides like "riding on a cloud".
Also no problems with it and excellent fabrication.
There are many great bikes out there.
Also the cost was not really that outrageous. My custom bike with Dura Ace 10 , FSA carbon bars , hand built wheels with Mavic rims and Dswiss hubs was around $5500.
My wife's with similar set up was about $1500 more. Compared to a new car a bargain.
 

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Living with a seven

I Googled Seven vs Serotta for fun and found this old thread. Coincidentally, I sold a LeMond Zurich (Carbon/Steel variant) prior to owning a custom 7 Axiom w/Dura-Ace 10 - just like the original poster of this thread. Interestingly, I too debated Serotta vs. Seven, as I had had a "dream ride" on a Serotta that stuck with me for years before I ever even thought of affording one. In the end, SEVEN won my business due to my confidence and familiarity with their product and customer experience as I sold both at the shop I worked at.

To me, buying a custom titanium frame today, in the face of über-light carbon bikes, really makes a statement. Carbon bikes are lighter and generally smoother, but the titanium bike can be designed specifically for you and... lasts forever. Mine is set-up for two wheel sets, one light racing set-up and one traditionally spoked, hand-laced wheels with 25mm wide rubber. I enjoyed creating a bike that I could race competitively as well as take on adventure rides that cover gravel and dirt roads without worrying about the fragility of a carbon frame.

The ride is a bit stiff and perhaps I could have had another centimeter added to the top tube and head tube, but I did get pretty much exactly what I requested. That is Seven's trademark - we'll make it just like you ask. Word of advice: be certain about your design influence before you sign-off. Err cautiously on the better side of: stiff vs. compliant, quick vs. stable, and you'll be OK.

I miss my LeMond somedays, for it had the smoothest ride I've ever experienced (w/25mm tires). Bikes are bikes though, and if the fit is good, you can usually live with the rest. Dropping the big dough on a custom ride and you better get the details down!
 
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