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Officials are considering limiting when and where private cars may travel on Market Street, a central street in downtown San Francisco, in order to improve bus efficiency and safety for cyclists and pedestrians.

It has been proposed for over a decade but thoughts are changing on the benefits from reduced car traffic according to the article.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/25/MN72164F36.DTL
 

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"Studying" and "Considering" are code words for spending money without getting anything done.

They can go on that way for years.
 

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LOL! There's a traffic signal 2 blocks from my house that's been flashing yellow for 3 years. There's a sign posted that says, "Under study for removal" wife & I think someone must be doing their PhD dissertation on it.
 

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If you guys have never been on Market Street in SF then you just don't know. You want to get across town the fast way? Avoid Market Street, especially from about eighth down to Drumm, which is essentially downtown SF. I've had times when I needed to go around the block and Market Street was one of the streets I had to be on to do it and it can take 15 minutes just to cover a city block to make my turn.

With regards to cyclists on Market Street, it is one street that I absolutely avoid as a cyclist. It isn't very wide to begin with and there are trolly stops, which narrows the road even more, every block or so. These pinch points make it difficult for a cyclist to get by and impatient motorists try to squeeze past cyclists, which is a tricky proposition. I, for one, am for them closing Market Street to privately owned cars during specific hours.
 

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I try to avoid Market because it is chaotic.
Market St. is labeled one of the deadliest roads for cyclists in the bay area by SF Chronicle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/16/MNPFVK8RU.DTL

New York City Mayor Bloomberg announced recently that Times Square will be a pedestrian only zone beginning in May and continuing for a trial through the year.

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/will-a-car-free-broadway-work/

The article also describes a tool called the Balanced Transportation Analyzer that gauges impacts of various transportation options in urban areas.
 

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Art853 said:
Officials are considering limiting when and where private cars may travel on Market Street, a central street in downtown San Francisco, in order to improve bus efficiency and safety for cyclists and pedestrians.
In reality, the thing that most makes Market Street dangerous to cyclists and pedestrians is...wait for it... BUSES.
 

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How many of those 215 collisions were from buses?

I think design is important. Physically separated bike lanes might work well on Market.

http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/physically-separated-bike-lanes/

Even if the majority of the collisions were from buses a redesigned street, with physically separated bike lanes, and fewer cars could still have significant improvements in safety for cyclists and allow for more efficient public transit flow.
 
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