[TmB123]

Hi, Ive always used the 9 and 10 speed quick connect links on my Shimano chains. I have a new bike with 11 speed Dura Ace on it. Does anyone know of a quick link compatible with the new 11 speed chain?

second question, the only chain breaking tool I have is my shimano 9 speed one, will this still work on the 11 speed chain, not sure if the pins are different sizes?

 

[C-40]

The pin size should be the same. The only problem I've seen when using older 9 speed chain tools, is an improper fit with the center support. The outer side plate is supposed to rest against the back of the tool, when pressing a pin out. With the thinner chain, the center support may contact the inside of the the outer plate closest to the drive pin and not allow the chain to sit properly. To fix that, I just filed on the center support to reduce it's thickness. I did this once when 10 speed chains came out in 2000 and again in 2008, for 11 speed chains.

KMC makes an 11 speed link and so does IRD, although the IRD might be hard to find. To be sure that it fits properly, use a feeler gage and check the clearance between the inner and outer plates. You want .004 inch minimum and .008 maximum. You can get by with as much as .012 inch of clearance, but that's kind of sloppy.

 

[TmB123]

Thanks, i saw that KMC did an 11 speed link, but its listed as "Campagnolo only" and not sure if compatible or not. I have sent KMC an email as well asking if they do one for the new Shimano chain.

cheers

 

[C-40]

11 speed chains are all going to be very close to the same 5.6mm outer width. To get that width, there is little room to change the dimensions significantly. It would be really odd for KMC to make a link just for a Campy chain, and a different one for their own 11 speed chain.

Campy did go to a special effort to keep the roller width as wide as possible and did that by making the outer plates thinner, using a stronger grade of steel. There is some chance that a Shimano 11 chain might be a little narrower across the inner plates. That's why I suggest measuring the clearance. As long as the link is a reasonably close fit, there shouldn't be a problem.

Most sellers of the KMC links list it as compatible with the KMC or Campy chain, at present.

 

[metoou2]

I read that the Shimano 11 spd chain roller width is identical to the Shimano 10 spd roller width. And that Shimano is using thinner side plates.

 

[Wheelman55]

Buy a Shimano 11spd chain tool. After all you are riding Dura-Ace. The new tool is backwards compatible with 10spd, 9 spd, etc.

 

[flatlander_48]

11 speed chains are all going to be very close to the same 5.6mm outer width. To get that width, there is little room to change the dimensions significantly. It would be really odd for KMC to make a link just for a Campy chain, and a different one for their own 11 speed chain.

I think it is just a matter of time lag. Campagnolo 11-spd has been around much longer than Shimano's. Shimano 11-spd has only been available for just a few months. I doubt if Shimano would give KMC 11-spd parts for development work as it would be for a competing product, so they would have to wait until the parts were offered for sale to the public. Even if it were dimensionally the same as the Campagnolo part, KMC would still need to test it on Shimano hardware. Anyway, give it a little time.

 

[pmf]

Question about the new Dura Ace 9000 -- do the cassettes fit on the same 8/9/10 speed cassette bodies, or does one have to swap bodies, or buy new wheels when moving to DA 9000?

 

[LS0204]

pmf,

Unfortunately it depends on the wheel.

For instance, the Mavic's will take a 11s cassette by omitting the spacer. I have a 2013 set of SLS and the cassette fits great. I think this applies to all Mavic wheels.

My recently purchased 10s Far Sport 50mm N carbon clinchers just need a new cassette body. The edHub is $35 with $30 shipping to the US. I think the Bitex is cheaper - $25, but don't quote me. I'm still waiting on the final purchase amount. I bought these wheels last October, and I think they now all come with 11s hubs. Ask first.

The bad - my HED Bastognes. They require a $125 hub/axle and a re-dish. So these are staying on my 10s "winter" bike.

So, inquire to the manufactures directly.... any maybe take a new wheelset into account when looking into the 9000 group.

 

[metoou2]

Thanks, i saw that KMC did an 11 speed link, but its listed as "Campagnolo only" and not sure if compatible or not. I have sent KMC an email as well asking if they do one for the new Shimano chain.

cheers

Did KMC report back?

 

[TmB123]

Did KMC report back?

No, they didnt, thanks for reminding me, hate it when companies dont reply to emails. If I hear anything I'll update this thread.

 

[mann2]

View attachment 277120

check the right side of the pic. sorry, too lazy to encircle

KMC Europe

 

[TmB123]

Thanks mann2, not sure if I can see what you are pointing at?
This looks like an 11 speed chain compatible with both Shimano and Campy 11 speed groups, which I presume would be a direct replacement for the Shimano 11 speed chain. Far as I can tell it still doesnt mention anything about the 11 speed connectors compatible with shimano chains. If you look at the connectors link, it still only mentions compatibility of Campy chains. Who knows, maybe they are so close now it doesnt matter...

 

[mann2]

oh so sorry, failed to grasp the whole question anyhow, one of my ride buddies has switched to the kmc and returned to the stock DA chain using the missing link 11. he's not reporting anything unusual or untoward. have the same feedback from the weighweenies forums from another site hth!

 

[metoou2]

oh so sorry, failed to grasp the whole question anyhow, one of my ride buddies has switched to the kmc and returned to the stock DA chain using the missing link 11. he's not reporting anything unusual or untoward. have the same feedback from the weighweenies forums from another site hth!

could you post up the W. Weenie link?

 

[mann2]

it's just a post by a member in the dura ace 9000 thread here. its somewhere in there.

 

[PlatyPius]

I think it is just a matter of time lag. Campagnolo 11-spd has been around much longer than Shimano's. Shimano 11-spd has only been available for just a few months. I doubt if Shimano would give KMC 11-spd parts for development work as it would be for a competing product, so they would have to wait until the parts were offered for sale to the public. Even if it were dimensionally the same as the Campagnolo part, KMC would still need to test it on Shimano hardware. Anyway, give it a little time.

KMC makes all of Shimano's chains....

 

[metoou2]

KMC makes all of Shimano's chains....

and that means..........................?

KMC makes a very wide variety of chains to a wide range of specs.
It's possible they are making Shimano's chain to a completely unrelated standard that has no association to any other KMC chain.

 

[TmB123]

Soooo, after a few emails to KMC without response and being told by a couple of LBS not to use the Campy 11 speed link, anyone have any update on availability at all for the new 11 speed DA chain master link?

cheers

 

[wim]

The 5.5 mm 11-speed non-reusable links on this German KMC site are listed as 11-speed Shimano compatible.

Missing links - Verschlussglieder - Produkte - KMC Chain