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Actually, I can do that with a 30 year old Suntour Superbe Tech, and with a Suntour Mountech (both are the same design) derailleur, so that is not something unique to electrical systems.
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Taping your nips? Do tell!
We just entered the Dark n’ Weird Side of RBR… 😮
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As I said... "If it made financial sense to cater to the small minority of luddites.. they would. But it doesn't. So they won't."
Both SRAM and Shimano note that people just aren't buying mechanical.
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Electronic dominance
No one can deny that mechanical shifting has a sizeable advantage over electronic shifting in terms of serviceability and often weight (particularly at anything other than flagship price points). However, in conversations with countless product managers from various bicycle brands in recent months about consumer preferences, the answer is always the same: when given the option, so few people are actually buying the cable-actuated stuff that it’s impossible to justify keeping it around from a financial point of view.
One only has to look at SRAM’s recent product development to see evidence of this trend in real time.
It’s been a very different story for SRAM’s mechanical road groupsets. Despite plenty of love and loyalty from hardcore enthusiasts, it’s basically a case of the highly vocal minority.
The current generation of SRAM’s Red 22 mechanical groupset hasn’t been updated since its last revamp in 2013.
From an engineering standpoint, it wouldn’t take much for SRAM to update its mechanical road groupsets to the 12-speed format....
In all likelihood, SRAM has the resources to do this, and you’d better believe that if the demand (and profit margins) was there, the company would make it happen. However, SRAM has clearly decided the juice isn’t worth the squeeze, and its OEM partners apparently feel the same way (though that hasn’t kept third-party tinkerer Ratio Technology from doing it on a retrofit basis).
As promised, Di2’s shift performance is uncannily faster and more precise, it’s more consistent over time than mechanical setups, and many riders just prefer the lighter feel of short-stroke buttons instead of bigger levers with more throw.
I anticipate that — unlike with Ultegra — Shimano will continue to offer 105 in a mechanical version, which will assuredly also make the jump to 12-speed. If only to keep OEM product managers happy, I would guess that the new 105 mechanical would hold pretty firm on the end cost, or maybe just increase slightly. Nevertheless, it seems likely that — at least as far as Shimano is concerned — 105 will now be the brand’s top mechanical offering.
Both SRAM and Shimano note that people just aren't buying mechanical.
Shimano 105 Di2 R7100 is coming - CyclingTips
The death of Ultegra mechanical can only mean one thing.
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No one can deny that mechanical shifting has a sizeable advantage over electronic shifting in terms of serviceability and often weight (particularly at anything other than flagship price points). However, in conversations with countless product managers from various bicycle brands in recent months about consumer preferences, the answer is always the same: when given the option, so few people are actually buying the cable-actuated stuff that it’s impossible to justify keeping it around from a financial point of view.
One only has to look at SRAM’s recent product development to see evidence of this trend in real time.
It’s been a very different story for SRAM’s mechanical road groupsets. Despite plenty of love and loyalty from hardcore enthusiasts, it’s basically a case of the highly vocal minority.
The current generation of SRAM’s Red 22 mechanical groupset hasn’t been updated since its last revamp in 2013.
From an engineering standpoint, it wouldn’t take much for SRAM to update its mechanical road groupsets to the 12-speed format....
In all likelihood, SRAM has the resources to do this, and you’d better believe that if the demand (and profit margins) was there, the company would make it happen. However, SRAM has clearly decided the juice isn’t worth the squeeze, and its OEM partners apparently feel the same way (though that hasn’t kept third-party tinkerer Ratio Technology from doing it on a retrofit basis).
As promised, Di2’s shift performance is uncannily faster and more precise, it’s more consistent over time than mechanical setups, and many riders just prefer the lighter feel of short-stroke buttons instead of bigger levers with more throw.
I anticipate that — unlike with Ultegra — Shimano will continue to offer 105 in a mechanical version, which will assuredly also make the jump to 12-speed. If only to keep OEM product managers happy, I would guess that the new 105 mechanical would hold pretty firm on the end cost, or maybe just increase slightly. Nevertheless, it seems likely that — at least as far as Shimano is concerned — 105 will now be the brand’s top mechanical offering.
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Not much to tell... Who doesn't like to have some fun while cycling?
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I'm sorry, but this is just a blatant lie. You can't even find any 10, 11, or 12 speed high end (Super Record or Record) mechanical Campy groupsets because they are completely sold out. There is a tremendous demand for mechanical groupsets, they're just not available.As I said... "If it made financial sense to cater to the small minority of luddites.. they would. But it doesn't. So they won't."
Both SRAM and Shimano note that people just aren't buying mechanical.
Electronic dominanceShimano 105 Di2 R7100 is coming - CyclingTips
The death of Ultegra mechanical can only mean one thing.
No one can deny that mechanical shifting has a sizeable advantage over electronic shifting in terms of serviceability and often weight (particularly at anything other than flagship price points). However, in conversations with countless product managers from various bicycle brands in recent months about consumer preferences, the answer is always the same: when given the option, so few people are actually buying the cable-actuated stuff that it’s impossible to justify keeping it around from a financial point of view.
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Your lie is a lie.
Everything is sold out. There's a global shortage on all sorts of thing.
However, in conversations with countless product managers from various bicycle brands in recent months about consumer preferences, the answer is always the same: when given the option, so few people are actually buying the cable-actuated stuff that it’s impossible to justify keeping it around from a financial point of view.
But surely your anecdotal evidence is more reliable than the product managers of the actual products.
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Your corporate overlords are scrambling your brain. You CAN buy electronic (EPS) components, only the mechanical ones are sold out. For example 11 speed SR EPS shifters are available, mechanical shifters are not.Your lie is a lie.
Everything is sold out. There's a global shortage on all sorts of thing.
However, in conversations with countless product managers from various bicycle brands in recent months about consumer preferences, the answer is always the same: when given the option, so few people are actually buying the cable-actuated stuff that it’s impossible to justify keeping it around from a financial point of view.
But surely your anecdotal evidence is more reliable than the product managers of the actual products.
I will be selling my Record 10 speed mechanical stuff soon, lets see how long it takes to sell...
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I can't say I've ever had this problem, but then I don't wear bibs, just a jersey and shirts.Not much to tell... Who doesn't like to have some fun while cycling?
Nipple Chafing: How to Prevent It
Nipple chafing occurs commonly in long-distance runners due to friction between clothing and the nipple. We’ve rounded up tips for prevention, such as putting lubrication on the nipples.
However, I have had a different kind of chafing with the wrong shorts and I'm not talking about saddle sores!
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Who's lying? These are all available right now.
Campagnolo Centaur 11 Speed Rim Brake Road Groupset | Chain Reaction
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Campagnolo Chorus 12-Speed Groupset | Merlin Cycles
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Centaur 11 Speed Rim Brake Groupset
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Campagnolo Centaur 11 Speed Rear Derailleur
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Campagnolo Centaur 11 Speed Ergopower Shift/Brake Lever Set
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Campagnolo Record 11 Speed Braze-On Front Derailleur - Black
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Veloce Power Shift 10 Speed Levers
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Athena Triple 11 Speed Ergopower Lever Set
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Super Record Ultra Shift Ergopower Lever (12 Speed
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Sorry, there was so much Campy stuff available I couldn't select it all. But alas... SR and Record are there too.
Campagnolo Super Record Groupset 12-Speed | Merlin Cycles
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Campagnolo Record 12-Speed Groupset | Merlin Cycles
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Record Groupset (12 Speed)
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Super Record Groupset (12 Speed)
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So, electronic shifting is better because it eliminates cables?Sorry, there was so much Campy stuff available I couldn't select it all. But alas... SR and Record are there too.
Campagnolo Super Record Groupset 12-Speed | Merlin Cycles
Buy your Campagnolo Super Record Groupset 12-Speed at Merlin. Free worldwide delivery available on most items!Campagnolo Record 12-Speed Groupset | Merlin Cycles
Buy your Campagnolo Record 12-Speed Groupset at Merlin. Free worldwide delivery available on most items!Record Groupset (12 Speed)
Buy your Campagnolo Record Groupset (12 Speed) - Groupsets from wiggle.com. SAVE 19% - RRP $2,123.99 now only $1,710.99. Free worldwide delivery available.Super Record Groupset (12 Speed)
Buy your Campagnolo Super Record Groupset (12 Speed) - Groupsets from wiggle.com. SAVE 19% - RRP $3,155.99 now only $2,526.99. Free worldwide delivery available.
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No, it’s better because it costs a lot more and racers use it. 😛
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Wait now, I’m susceptible to that argument. Except, well... It’s heavier and less aero? Pure pain!No, it’s better because it costs a lot more and pro racers use it.
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Yeah, sometimes I forget that my sarcasm sounds pretty much like how they market it. 😟
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Haha, I read it right...Yeah, sometimes I forget that my sarcasm sounds pretty much like how they market it.
I’m a little discouraged at my group choice, I couldn’t find any of the cable eating commentary when I made the choice. Reviews were glowing. Performance matched the reviews when it was assembled. I wanted Campy to match my Italian tubes but the selection and cost were just prohibitive for no functional gain. I may have been wrong... Albeit, I hate thumb buttons But I’d do it for the sake of continuity. I may still do it eventually.
I’m far from anti e-shifting. It’s just a solution to a non existent problem. My SRAM cables last forever. I wouldn’t make the jump just to ditch cables. That lean claim as an advantage.
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Since you mention Wiggle:
SR EPS 11 speed levers - in stock
SR 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed FD - in stock
SR 11 speed FD - out of stock
ProbikeKit:
SR EPS 11 speed levers - in stock
SR 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed FD - in stock
SR 11 speed FD - out of stock
Texas Cyclesport:
SR EPS 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed FD - in stock
SR 11 speed FD - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed levers - in stock
SR 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed FD - in stock
SR 11 speed FD - out of stock
ProbikeKit:
SR EPS 11 speed levers - in stock
SR 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed FD - in stock
SR 11 speed FD - out of stock
Texas Cyclesport:
SR EPS 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR 11 speed levers - out of stock
SR EPS 11 speed FD - in stock
SR 11 speed FD - out of stock
All of this is starting to make me like Campy more… 🤔
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