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We're small, they're big and heavy. They go much faster than us.

They can text and be drunk or high when we are mostly sober and focused.

They zoom past us within a few feet or sometimes inches.

We are riding with our backs facing them, unable to see the danger.

It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.

As a society, more bicycle trails are needed.

That is all.
 

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The roads are fine.

The cars are mostly fine.

The drivers are the problem.

Let the cars drive themselves and we'll be much better off, it'll be nirvana.
 

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We're small, they're big and heavy. They go much faster than us.

They can text and be drunk or high when we are mostly sober and focused.

They zoom past us within a few feet or sometimes inches.

We are riding with our backs facing them, unable to see the danger.

It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.

As a society, more bicycle trails are needed.

That is all.
This only perpetuates the stigma that cyclists are second-class citizens, and it does nothing to fix the bad driving culture we have.
 

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that's your penetrating, thoughtful analysis of cycling on roadways...?

hope you didn't get a brain aneurysm with that effort.
 

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Having been mashed by a car once already, I tend to avoid mingling with them as much as possible.

I've sort of naturally (not so much as a conscious, intentional process) changed my riding habits to minimize my exposure.

* I take MUT's when I can - my commute is 16 miles one way - 15.5 miles of it is on a paved MUT.

* My Adventure Rides tend to be off of paved roads. "Gravel" or whatever you want to call it - most of my planned long weekend rides involve this.

* I try to ride in a large group if I'm riding on roads with minimal shoulders, high speed vehicles, and sketchy site lines. Organized group rides, charity rides, fondos, etc..

* I rarely ride among cars at night, or in bad weather (rain, etc...).

* I live in suburbia these day - and used to love to ride into the city and explore - but no more - it's just too crazy dangerous to ride there. I head further out of town as much as possible.
 

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that's your penetrating, thoughtful analysis of cycling on roadways...?

hope you didn't get a brain aneurysm with that effort.
I'm sensing something.
 

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This only perpetuates the stigma that cyclists are second-class citizens, and it does nothing to fix the bad driving culture we have.
Nothing is going to fix that. I see soccer moms with a minivan fully loaded with kids....with both thumbs texting and steering with their knees. Not even mortal peril to their own and others KIDS causes "adults" to act like it.


Part of why I went and built an unpavement bike this spring. The paved roads are becoming deathtraps.
 

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i do most of my riding in town in either a dedicated bike lane or trail. because it's a bike-friendly city, i feel really safe. i never worry about being hit from behind. i only worry about someone approaching, obliviously turning left in front of me.

it's when i get out on the county roads or u.s. highways i feel incredibly vulnerable and downright scared.

the last time i was riding on a highway with a friend in front of me, a woman driver flew by both of us, only giving us about a foot or two between us and her speeding car. there was no traffic and no reason she should have scared the hell out of us like that. it's just the kind of rural craziness i try to avoid.

... which is sad, because there are some wonderful roads outside the city...
 

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i do most of my riding in town in either a dedicated bike lane or trail. because it's a bike-friendly city, i feel really safe. i never worry about being hit from behind. i only worry about someone approaching, obliviously turning left in front of me.

it's when i get out on the county roads or u.s. highways i feel incredibly vulnerable and downright scared.

the last time i was riding on a highway with a friend in front of me, a woman driver flew by both of us, only giving us about a foot or two between us and her speeding car. there was no traffic and no reason she should have scared the hell out of us like that. it's just the kind of rural craziness i try to avoid.

... which is sad, because there are some wonderful roads outside the city...
Well, rural varies. We noticed a trend in the past few years on Tour de Nebraska doing different parts of the state...

NORTH of I-80...the rural locals will give you room almost all the time, and not pass you on a hill. They'll give a wave too. If they honk, it is a gentle "I'm here" one.

SOUTH of I-80....the rural locals will give you zero room and probably flip you off or blare their horn at you in that "HEY JERK OUTTA MY WAY" manner.
 

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^ i guess the good news is that north of i-80 is most of the state?
 

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The trick is to ride in the mountains where cell phones don't work and there are no taverns. If the roads contain hairpin turns and cliffs, the substance abusers are either eliminated early or know better than to travel.

Narrow roads are best because drivers are forced to be prepared to deal with other cars and obstacles.

Take your cycling vacation in the alps (preferably Italy) where nearly everybody drives stick shift and the roads are constant hair pins. There is not time to be distracted between turns / constant shifting / cyclists / and wanting to pass or be passed.

In the US, stay out of cities that are magnets for substance abusers. Also, stay away from universities where many of the drivers are too stupid to realize that texting / driving / drinking is a bad combination.

With the above advice you will likely reduce the odds of being hit by a car by 75%.
We're small, they're big and heavy. They go much faster than us.

They can text and be drunk or high when we are mostly sober and focused.

They zoom past us within a few feet or sometimes inches.

We are riding with our backs facing them, unable to see the danger.

It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.

As a society, more bicycle trails are needed.

That is all.
 

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^ i guess the good news is that north of i-80 is most of the state?
Motored up 83 from North Platte through the Rosebud Indian reservation and rolling prairie in the middle of Nebraska, last summer. Sight lines were great, but traffic, such as it was, could go 80 mph, and I don't remember especially consistent shoulders; not real friendly to bikes going 15 mph. But the network of adjoining side roads go the same places. Those roads are safer than the urban MUTs.

It'a all good. I ain't skeered of no cars. I ride aggressively, use hand signals, go with the flow, and have never been hit from behind. Drivers have if anything gotten more courteous than when I started in the late 70s. We just have to be considerate, and its pretty safe everywhere off those six lane suburban thoroughfares cars speed on between traffic lights. I avoid them at all costs. There's always an older adjacent road with slower traffic and more interesting stuff to see.
 

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We are riding with our backs facing them, unable to see the danger.

It's not a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.

As a society, more bicycle trails are needed.

That is all.
Bicycle trails are filled with people and animals that have nothing to do with bicycles. I know quite a few people who have had quite a few more crashes on bike trails than roads.
 
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