Disco and Postal before them took the professionalism and the scientific approaches to winning bike races to new levels, and they really made no secret about this, and why some teams don't do the same is beyond me. CSC and Lampre, for 2, and just about every other protour team these days spend time in the wind tunnels for sure every off season. CSC has done it in conjunction with Cervelo.55x11 said:People talk about Discovery's pre-race preparation, that may include spending time and money on wind tunnels or recon rides, as if it's a bad thing. I think it's once again a proof of professionalism of Bruneel and others, to work with Savoldelli to specifically improve his ITT skills in preparation for Giro. Please don't tell me CSC or Lampre doesn't have capabilities to do what Discos are doing. Sort of like last year when Lance was checking out the Tour course and doing training rides up those mountains, they asked Vino and Ullrich if they did any rides out there and both essentially said - nah, it's the same mountains, we know everything already. This is a rather arrogant and short-sighted attitude - to dismiss someone's specific preparation, rather than consider for a moment that this might give them the edge in the race against you. Little things like that make me think that teams like Discovery and CSC that are just more thoughtful and professional in everything from little things to strategy, have an edge on other teams (such as T-mobile) that seem to screw things up in a number of ways.
Still with your head in the sand, I see. I thought you decided to pipe down about dope only being used by a small percentage of the peloton after Hamilton, Heras, and Armstrong were busted for doping.atpjunkie said:Discovery
Quick Step (who inherited Mapei's scientific approach)
hmmmm successful squads, I wonder why?
I know,I know,Dope.
The argument along the lines of "take away 7 Tour de France wins by Armstrong and all you are left with is a few Vueltas and a Giro win" made me laugh.Under ACrookedSky said:The successfulness of a team is largely judged by the results of a single star rider. Take out the results of Armstrong from Disco/Postal and what do you have? A Vuelta win by a doper, and a Giro win by a man who had won the race before and did so again with pathetic team support. Oh, and a few minor wins and a few misses in major single day races.
Yeah, Museeuw results must be due to smarter training than the competition. He would NEVER dope. Wouldn't think of it. Never in a million years.55x11 said:Sort of like saying: "take away Johann Museeuw's Paris-Roubaix wins and a few other spring classics and all you are left with is a single world championship".
You can't have it both ways. If they all dope then dope doesn't do much to explain superior peformance. They all use the same drugs and any advantage in doping methodology is primarily in avoiding detection.Under ACrookedSky said:Yeah, Museeuw results must be due to smarter training than the competition. He would NEVER dope. Wouldn't think of it. Never in a million years.
Again, seven Tour wins by a doper and one Vuelta win by a doper and what are you left with? Certainly not results of a team that is supposedly so much smarter than all the others. Contrast that with CSC which DOES have a history of taking underperformers and turning them into winners; and they have wins with many different team members in all different kinds of racing.
Sorry, I'm just not buying this crap about Disco being so much smarter than everyone else.
So, if Disco/Postal is so much smarter than everyone else in their training methods and if they are so much more prepared and sophisticated than everyone else, where is their Classics win? They have been trying for eight years but keep getting their asses handed to them by those primitive euros and their neanderthal training methods. You would think that Disco/Postal's superior methods would have come through on at least one weekend in eight years.atpjunkie said:...again, for the record I'm a Classics guy...
If they gave a rodent's arse about the classics they would have kept Boonen and dumped Hincapie.Under ACrookedSky said:So, if Disco/Postal is so much smarter than everyone else in their training methods and if they are so much more prepared and sophisticated than everyone else, where is their Classics win? They have been trying for eight years but keep getting their asses handed to them by those primitive euros and their neanderthal training methods. You would think that Disco/Postal's superior methods would have come through on at least one weekend in eight years.