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That's two riders popped for EPO. In the past there was no test. Who is doing this test, how accurate is it, and can we finally go back and get Lance's samples and be done with him for good?
 

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Apparently the test that popped Ricco is still not approved, so probably would not stand up in court. But from what it sounds like, they used it as enough evidence to search the team bus/cars and/or hotel.

Being that the whole team dropped out, I'd say they might have found actual evidence in the search, but I have not see this confirmed yet.
 

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Anything other than recombinant human EPO is technically an easy catch because it's a significantly different structure than the real thing. But you have to know it's out there before you would develop a test.

There is also the expense to consider because one small change to the molecule and you need a whole new test and after a few generations of cat and mouse pretty soon it's several thousand per sample to try and find everything that's out there.

It's a losing battle from the start without even getting into gene doping which is supposedly already in limited use in sports.
 

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jorgy said:
This is a new type of EPO. Just available this year. Go back and test Lance's samples all you want--you ain't gonna find this third generation EPO.
No need. They already found first generation EPO in Armstrong's samples.
 

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asgelle said:
A non-validated testing protocol.
And the testing on anonymous samples managed to find Beltran (who was just caught), Hamburger (who later admitted EPO use), Armstrong (of which there is mountains of evidence that he doped), and another rider (who was already serving a suspension for doping when the results came out). What an amazing coincidence.
 

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ChuckUni said:
Apparently the test that popped Ricco is still not approved, so probably would not stand up in court.
I have it on good authority the test it was supplied to the anti-doping agency by Roche, makers of CERA. Ricco just had the arrogance to think he was still one step ahead.
 

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terzo rene said:
Anything other than recombinant human EPO is technically an easy catch because it's a significantly different structure than the real thing. But you have to know it's out there before you would develop a test.

There is also the expense to consider because one small change to the molecule and you need a whole new test and after a few generations of cat and mouse pretty soon it's several thousand per sample to try and find everything that's out there.

It's a losing battle from the start without even getting into gene doping which is supposedly already in limited use in sports.

Yes.....it is a loosing battle. I don't understand why people can't "get that".
As long as millions are to made in pro sport doping will never stop. Guys it isn't goinbg to stop...EVER! It's sad but it's very true.

If you blood dope with your own frozen packed cells(red cells) ...that can keep for 10 bloody years in the freezer.. and then use very tiny micro doses of human, identical Dynepo , just enough to keep your body producing some retics(so they don't suspect blood doping which shuts down your retic release, then you CANNOT be caught unless someone blows the whistle on you.

Ricco and company screwed up by using CERA epo in micro doses to keep retic coming while blood doping. CERA is animal protein based just like alpha and beta epo's.....and you take a risk even doing tiny micros with this stuff.
"They" though CERA would be fine since it requires only 1-2 shots per month...but the gamble didn't pay off.

The smart guys like Evans will not use CERA at all....only Dynepo with their blood doping, HGH and IGF-1.

Cheers

RG :)
 
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