I don't think you really have any idea what you're talking about.terzo rene said:We already know Jan will not be in form for the Tour since he doesn't have the base to avoid a bad patch at some point and will likely encounter some more health problems on the way from trying to flog himself into shape in a short time span.
Dan,capt_phun said:Le Tour 2006 - Overall winner
Who will win the Tour de France ?
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Basso, I 2.85
Ullrich, J 3.00
Vinokourov, A 8.50
Valverde, A 9.00
Popovych, Y 20.00
Cunego, D 25.00
Menchov, D 25.00
Leipheimer, L 25.00
Landis, F 30.00
Mancebo Pérez, F 30.00
Klöden, A 35.00
Hincapie, G 40.00
Rasmussen, M 45.00
Mayo, I 50.00
Beloki, J 66.00
Simoni, G 80.00
Jaksche, J 100.00
Can I bet against someone? I'd like to bet Beloki won't win. If I bet $66, do I win $1? I'll take that.capt_phun said:Le Tour 2006 - Overall winner
Who will win the Tour de France ?
No refunds on non-starters. Others on request.
Basso, I 2.85
Ullrich, J 3.00
Vinokourov, A 8.50
Valverde, A 9.00
Popovych, Y 20.00
Cunego, D 25.00
Menchov, D 25.00
Leipheimer, L 25.00
Landis, F 30.00
Mancebo Pérez, F 30.00
Klöden, A 35.00
Hincapie, G 40.00
Rasmussen, M 45.00
Mayo, I 50.00
Beloki, J 66.00
Simoni, G 80.00
Jaksche, J 100.00
It's a dangerous bet with Beloki. I agree he won't win, but 66 to 1 is a bit dangerous for my taste. Beloki is an unknown, with potential to win. This kind of bet is safe with Rasmussen (or Hincapie).francois said:Can I bet against someone? I'd like to bet Beloki won't win. If I bet $66, do I win $1? I'll take that.
They favor Leipheimer over Landis. Ain't gonna happen...
francois
I guess you must not either since you are agreeing with me. A month off of serious training at this point, whatever the reason, means he won't have the high base needed to achieve and hold maximum fitness by July.francois said:I don't think you really have any idea what you're talking about.
Great comments here!! Wholeheartedly agree. I love watching Mancebo. He looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame but he gets up the hills.terzo rene said:I also agree Levi over Landis is nuts. Floyd is really being overlooked at 30:1 when Valverde is at 9:1. Menchov over Mancebo doesn't seem right either. Mancebo may look like his chamois creme has tabasco sauce and fire ants in it but he is always consistently highly placed.
Hincapie whom I normally dismiss as much as anyone really should be picked over Simoni, Beloki, and Mayo. The course favors him as much as anyone and his power apparently hasn't suffered from his weight loss which will help him in the mountains. Simoni has already said his main goal is an Alpe d'Huez stage win and domestique duties for Marchante. The other 2 will be an accomplishment to even finish in the top 20.
Agree 100% on the Ullrich comments! He looks fine. Let's wait and see.mtbbmet said:Floyd is not being overlooked, he is being overrated.
Who, of notable talet, has he beaten in an ITT?
No one.
If you think that he can do a better ITT than Ulrich, Basso, Vino, or hell even GH (when he wants to) you're drunk. Wow, he beat Danielson by 4 sec in Georgia. Good for him, next time pick on someone your own size and prove your worth. Come the end of July he'll be between 7th and 11th.
And enough about Jan not having the fitness!
Take a look at the pics from yesterdays prologue, he's hardly fat. And if you would have watched the coverage on cycling.tv you would know that he was taking it easy on the corners, of which there was many. When the road was pointing straight, he was FLYING. Then look at the risks that Savoldelli and Valverde took on some of those same corners. Both of them almost went into the bariers more than once. And I'm pretty sure that Savoldelli clipped his pedal on one of the barriers. Jan was taking it easy there and he easily lost 5 seconds on the hairpin corner alone, possibly more.
Beating DZ is a notable talent. DZ is considering using Landis TT position.mtbbmet said:Floyd is not being overlooked, he is being overrated.
Who, of notable talet, has he beaten in an ITT?
No one.
No I'm not talking out of my a$$, I'm quoting DZ. "Quotablemtbbmet said:You are talking out of your A$$.
DZ has the most naturally aero position in the Pro Tour. He would not change that. Also, DZ has been a little bit overrated in the last year also. DZ is far from the best time trailer in the world. Yes, he is very good. And most days, much better than Landis. But far from the best. In last years prologue luck, along with talent, played a huge role. He went early, with a stonger tail wind than the others had. Other than that, he has one exactly one other big TT. But he took less than 20sec out of Basso, and 45sec out of Savoldelli. And Savodelli is not really considered an impressive TTer. Like DZ, he's good, but not the best.
Someone's butt-cheeks are moving. DaveZ said it himself after the Tour de Georgia TT stage.mtbbmet said:You are talking out of your A$$.