I had no problems using Rival 22 hydro shifters with a Rival 1 derailleur. I also used those shifters with a X0 derailleur. Without a front derailleur I was only using the left side for the brakes but it was nice to know I could always go back to a 2x setup if I wanted to. With both setups I was using a Sram S900 10 speed crankset.
SRAM Rival 1x vs Rival 22, Force 22, Red 22
Quick, dumb SRAM questions, that Google won't give me a straight answer to:
How well do mechanical SRAM groupsets play together? Would I have problems with, say, Force 22 mechanical/ hydraulic shifters, Rival derailleurs and brake calipers, and Red crankset?
Is it true that the primary difference between Rival and Force is the shape of the hoods? And that Force and Red have the same shape hoods?
If I'm used to Shimano 2x, and love SRAM 1x, am I going to be shocked by the front shifting if I ever get to ride SRAM 2x?
I got to test ride a couple of bikes with Rival 1x, and love the shifting, and I got to feel the hoods (but not ride) a bike with Red (not sure the exact version, the guy at the bike shop said if I get Force or Red shifters that's what they would be shaped like). If I can get the Red hood shape then I think what I want on my dream bike is Force shifters, and whatever other parts I can get my hands on that will play nice together to make a Rival/ Force/ Red 22 mechanical hydraulic groupset.
How well do mechanical SRAM groupsets play together? Would I have problems with, say, Force 22 mechanical/ hydraulic shifters, Rival derailleurs and brake calipers, and Red crankset?
Is it true that the primary difference between Rival and Force is the shape of the hoods? And that Force and Red have the same shape hoods?
If I'm used to Shimano 2x, and love SRAM 1x, am I going to be shocked by the front shifting if I ever get to ride SRAM 2x?
I got to test ride a couple of bikes with Rival 1x, and love the shifting, and I got to feel the hoods (but not ride) a bike with Red (not sure the exact version, the guy at the bike shop said if I get Force or Red shifters that's what they would be shaped like). If I can get the Red hood shape then I think what I want on my dream bike is Force shifters, and whatever other parts I can get my hands on that will play nice together to make a Rival/ Force/ Red 22 mechanical hydraulic groupset.
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Further question: looking at parts listed on the SRAM website, for Force 22 and Rival 22 they list cassettes up to 11-36, but it looks like all the mechanical derailleurs they list are limited to 28t max cassette. 53/39 x 11-36 seems like a pretty optimal setup for the kind of riding I do, but what RD do I need for that? Presumably an extended cage, but I don't see that other than their XPLR eTap range.
All Sram mechanical 11 speed groupsets will work with each other because all are based on exact actuation 1:1 ratio, meaning all the shifters have the same amount of cable pull, so in theory/practice you can mix & match between groupsets if you want to. The only caveat is that 1X rear derailleurs should not be used in a 2X setup because the chainline would not be correct & shifting will suffer because of it.
If you plan on running a 2X setup with a wide range cassette, then you use either a medium cage rear or a Wi-Fli model. You also have other options as well because of the exact actuation. It is possible to use older 10 speed rear derailleurs in a 11 speed system with no issues at all because of the 1:1 ratio cable pull. I've done this myself with rival 11 spd shifters & X-5 10spd non-clutch rear for a gravel setup. It shifts great with no tweaking required.
No doubt about it, hydraulic braking is tops. But if you have trouble finding mechanical hydro shifters, you have the option of going mechanical shifting with cable actuated hydro brakes which is what I'm using. Something like the TRP Spyres, which are cable actuated hydraulic disc brakes. There are tradeoffs here of course but either way you go, there are pros & cons to consider.
If you plan on running a 2X setup with a wide range cassette, then you use either a medium cage rear or a Wi-Fli model. You also have other options as well because of the exact actuation. It is possible to use older 10 speed rear derailleurs in a 11 speed system with no issues at all because of the 1:1 ratio cable pull. I've done this myself with rival 11 spd shifters & X-5 10spd non-clutch rear for a gravel setup. It shifts great with no tweaking required.
No doubt about it, hydraulic braking is tops. But if you have trouble finding mechanical hydro shifters, you have the option of going mechanical shifting with cable actuated hydro brakes which is what I'm using. Something like the TRP Spyres, which are cable actuated hydraulic disc brakes. There are tradeoffs here of course but either way you go, there are pros & cons to consider.
Stan mentioned it in his post but you could use an older 10 speed Sram rear derailleur that should be able to run that setup. I used a clutched X0 10 speed rear der. with Rival 11 speed shifters and it worked great. I did have it on a 1x setup though and it was a clutched rear der. so with a 2x setup you may need a non clutched derailleur as Stan mentioned.Further question: looking at parts listed on the SRAM website, for Force 22 and Rival 22 they list cassettes up to 11-36, but it looks like all the mechanical derailleurs they list are limited to 28t max cassette. 53/39 x 11-36 seems like a pretty optimal setup for the kind of riding I do, but what RD do I need for that? Presumably an extended cage, but I don't see that other than their XPLR eTap range.
The mid-cage models for the 22 rear derailleurs are specced to accept up to a 32 tooth cassette. However, I am running a Force 22 mid-cage derailleur with a 34 tooth with no problems. I think 36 would be a stretch and you would risk either going slack in small-small or binding the derailleur in large-large.Further question: looking at parts listed on the SRAM website, for Force 22 and Rival 22 they list cassettes up to 11-36, but it looks like all the mechanical derailleurs they list are limited to 28t max cassette. 53/39 x 11-36 seems like a pretty optimal setup for the kind of riding I do, but what RD do I need for that? Presumably an extended cage, but I don't see that other than their XPLR eTap range.
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