can you define "silly cable routing"?
State Undefeated Carbon Disc
Curious if anyone has firsthand experience with the state undefeated carbon disc. Specs seem really reasonable (threaded bb, 30mm tire clearance, no silly cable routing...)
Along this line, does anyone have experience with of some similarly priced/specced competitors?
Along this line, does anyone have experience with of some similarly priced/specced competitors?
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I'm not a fan of the new "integrated" fad. Honestly prefer external routing..can you define "silly cable routing"?
I figured that was the case. I love the look of internal cable routing but it sure make things difficult.I'm not a fan of the new "integrated" fad. Honestly prefer external routing..
I agree with you all the way. I'm for function over form. Unfortunately, we are going the other way. That's apparently what sells.I'm not a fan of the new "integrated" fad. Honestly prefer external routing..
i think I'm the oddball here, but I actually like internal cable routing. I build and maintain all of my own bikes, and I much prefer the annoyance of the initial setup of internal cables over having to clean and maintain bikes with cables all over the outside of the frame.
I'm pretty obsessed with keeping my bikes clean - like 'brand new' clean. It's much easier to clean a bike that doesn't have cables attached to the outside of the frame.
It also helps that all of my bikes are Di2, so I don't have to deal with internal shift cables. Only Di2 wires and brakes.
I'm pretty obsessed with keeping my bikes clean - like 'brand new' clean. It's much easier to clean a bike that doesn't have cables attached to the outside of the frame.
It also helps that all of my bikes are Di2, so I don't have to deal with internal shift cables. Only Di2 wires and brakes.
Ditto. One of the reasons for my latest bike was fully integrated cables. No messy cables to get caught on stuff. Doesn't get in the way of Garmin, lights or GoPro. Easy to clean. Easy to wrap bars.i think I'm the oddball here, but I actually like internal cable routing. I build and maintain all of my own bikes, and I much prefer the annoyance of the initial setup of internal cables over having to clean and maintain bikes with cables all over the outside of the frame.
I'm pretty obsessed with keeping my bikes clean - like 'brand new' clean. It's much easier to clean a bike that doesn't have cables attached to the outside of the frame.
It also helps that all of my bikes are Di2, so I don't have to deal with internal shift cables. Only Di2 wires and brakes.
There's zero downside. On a bike with Di2 (or Etap) and hydraulics, once built you never have to touch them. So what's the big deal?
I have a set of mechanical components that are excellent and available so cost is the downside here. An aside I do love mechanical stuff still, haven't ridden an electric set yet that my impression is "I must switch to this immediately on my bike!". Not to mention between the garmin/pm pedals (assiomas, which are fantastic)/lights I really at my limit of things to make sure are charged before heading out the door, I just want to ride my bike, that's a personal preference though!Ditto. One of the reasons for my latest bike was fully integrated cables. No messy cables to get caught on stuff. Doesn't get in the way of Garmin, lights or GoPro. Easy to clean. Easy to wrap bars.
There's zero downside. On a bike with Di2 (or Etap) and hydraulics, once built you never have to touch them. So what's the big deal?
It was the Shimano shifter cable eating issue that made me decide to go with Di2 on my newest bike. Changing the rear shifter cable every 1500-2000 miles with internal routing is not entertaining.I have a set of mechanical components that are excellent and available so cost is the downside here. An aside I do love mechanical stuff still, haven't ridden an electric set yet that my impression is "I must switch to this immediately on my bike!". Not to mention between the garmin/pm pedals (assiomas, which are fantastic)/lights I really at my limit of things to make sure are charged before heading out the door, I just want to ride my bike, that's a personal preference though!
Charging Di2 is a non-issue. The battery goes a long time before it needs to be charged - shop mechanic said over 500 miles per charge. Way less often than my lights. And it's very easy to check how much charge you have left. You get plenty of warning before the posibility of being stranded in one gear.
... so your going to get a 'black' bike?
This is the way I'm leaning for my next bike. A titanium bike with fully integrated cables, deep section unbranded carbon rims, no logos, and black tires would just look like a spaceship.i think I'm the oddball here, but I actually like internal cable routing. I build and maintain all of my own bikes, and I much prefer the annoyance of the initial setup of internal cables over having to clean and maintain bikes with cables all over the outside of the frame.
i think I'm the oddball here, but I actually like internal cable routing. I build and maintain all of my own bikes, and I much prefer the annoyance of the initial setup of internal cables over having to clean and maintain bikes with cables all over the outside of the frame.
It also helps that all of my bikes are Di2, so I don't have to deal with internal shift cables. Only Di2 wires and brakes.
I agree. I don't mind if it's a PITA to set up as long as I can set it and forget it.Ditto. One of the reasons for my latest bike was fully integrated cables. No messy cables to get caught on stuff. Doesn't get in the way of Garmin, lights or GoPro. Easy to clean. Easy to wrap bars.
There's zero downside. On a bike with Di2 (or Etap) and hydraulics, once built you never have to touch them. So what's the big deal?
Anyone know some good competitors to the price and spec?
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