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A friend is looking for an ultra stiff frame. I know the list can be huge but I am looking for other suggestions. He presently rides a 2006 Madone which is not quite stiff enough. My suggestions are:
Colnago extreme power
Look 595 Ultra
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New Madone ?
 

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You're gonna race Crits

and you want a CF bike?????

first rule, don't race crits on anything you will cry over WHEN (not if) you crash

all those bikes are waaaaay too expoensive and pretty for crit racing

find something used (good mfr) in aluminum, some scratches are a plus
 

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Canyon F-10, They have 2007 models on the outlet section of the website. Right now a pretty good range of framesets for 799 euros. Since I got mine the Litespeed has been gathering dust.
 

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I find the entire post questionable--- given the list of bikes posted, and the claim the Trek isn't stiff enough.

atpjunkie said:
and you want a CF bike?????

first rule, don't race crits on anything you will cry over WHEN (not if) you crash

all those bikes are waaaaay too expoensive and pretty for crit racing

find something used (good mfr) in aluminum, some scratches are a plus
 

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atpjunkie said:
and you want a CF bike?????

first rule, don't race crits on anything you will cry over WHEN (not if) you crash

all those bikes are waaaaay too expoensive and pretty for crit racing

find something used (good mfr) in aluminum, some scratches are a plus
It's only slightly more dangerous than any other type of group ride.

I have a Blue Rc7 that is kickass for crits (Tina Pic won the US championship on one). Now that the Rc8 is out (it's barely changed except for the paint/carbon dropouts), you can pick up an Rc7 frame for a steal.
 

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"He presently rides a 2006 Madone which is not quite stiff enough"

Unless this guy is a Cat 2 crit specialist, he is a real wanker.
 

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Andrea138 said:
It's only slightly more dangerous than any other type of group ride.
Andrea138: crit racing must be different where you are.

I race cat 3, Pro1/2/3, Masters 35+ in the Atlanta area. While those are less squirrelly categories, I would have to say that the likelihood of a crash is exponentially higher than even an aggressive, fast-paced training ride, or training crit.

Which makes me wonder why I race crits on a T-Cube! :confused:

Back on topic: those are all stiff frames. Including the '06 Madone. Who is the friend? Thor Hushovd?
 

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"He presently rides a 2006 Madone which is not quite stiff enough"

Unless this guy is a Cat 2 crit specialist, he is a real wanker.

Mr_Grumpy,
The original poster asked a simple question and contrary to what some may believe most high end racing frames were not designed for sprinters...think of the average Tour rider. I am going to assume that you don't generate enough watts to make your rear derailleur shift on demand everytime you sprint so you probably aren't familiar with this frustrating situation hence your less than helpful comment. For a sprinter the market doesn't offer much (same situation I am in). One of things that makes it so hard selecting a truly stiff frame is sifting through all the marketing hyberbole. In the real world there aren't a whole lot frames that are truly stiff for the average sprinter...have you ever wondered why professional riders are always requesting the manufacturers to make stiffer frames?

The Cervelo Soloist Carbon is not, the Madone is not (2006 model), etc. Remember the point of reference most of the frame manufacturers use...130 lbs racers that are nearly 6' tall. In my book the stats on most male professional riders would put them on the average side of American women. When I read off stats to my wife, she's always commenting on wishing she was 5' 10" and only 130 lbs.

I suggest next time you go to your next crit take a close look at the cat2 guys...most are maybe 140 lbs soaking wet because they do an aweful lot of riding. And one thing you will quickly learn is that the Cat1-2 guys don't necessarily generate more power. In fact, on the road I am a lowly Cat 5 but race Cat 2 on the track, so don't guage someone's power output based on their category.

But back to the original topic, some other comparably priced frames that would serve the OP's friend would be the BMC Racemaster, Ridley Noah, Derosa Team, etc. They all seem to be geared towards sprinters.

After you've tried a real track bike you quickly learn that most road bikes are noodly in comparison.
 

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Our Elite team are issued Madones, and they tend to do quite well on them. They are able to generate immense amounts of watts (50% more than I can gererate). A good number of them are "big guys". The "big guys" do well in crits, the smaller members are the GC guys for stage races.
I have not heard of one of them complain about a noodly bike.
 

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That's because there are a lot of wankers around here who want 12 pound bikes, to counteract their 225 pound bodies.
 

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MR_GRUMPY said:
Our Elite team are issued Madones, and they tend to do quite well on them. They are able to generate immense amounts of watts (50% more than I can gererate). A good number of them are "big guys". The "big guys" do well in crits, the smaller members are the GC guys for stage races.
I have not heard of one of them complain about a noodly bike.
Mr_Grumpy,
Who's going to bite the hand that feeds them? If someone is going to give me a bike to race on it would be foolish to badmouth a manufacturer sponsoring my team.

With that being said, I do think Madone's are great bikes and the current ones have me really peaked. Especially, since I've had many conversations with Damon Rinard (Trek R&D) and his wife and have been really impressed with what they have done with the current Madones. I hope they are as stiff as they claim since I am in the market for a stiff sprinter's bike as well. It's just been my experience that many of the "sprinter's" bikes are actually designed primarily for the century/grand fondo rider or the climber. Which is very ironic since most of our domestic races are crits.
 

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Mr_Grumpy,
Who's going to bite the hand that feeds them? If someone is going to give me a bike to race on it would be foolish to badmouth a manufacturer sponsoring my team.

With that being said, I do think Madone's are great bikes and the current ones have me really peaked. Especially, since I've had many conversations with Damon Rinard (Trek R&D) and his wife and have been really impressed with what they have done with the current Madones. I hope they are as stiff as they claim since I am in the market for a stiff sprinter's bike as well. It's just been my experience that many of the "sprinter's" bikes are actually designed primarily for the century/grand fondo rider or the climber. Which is very ironic since most of our domestic races are crits.
This idea that of yours that stiff bikes aren't stiff enough for " a real sprinter" like you is preposterous. Aside from proving yourself as the biggest self-aggrandizing wanker here (to borrow a favorite term of Mr Grumpy) you have said nothing either intelligent or useful so far.

On topic: Stiffness is a term that is often misused and overused simultaneously. Why it has become the source of such obsession is beyond my understanding.
 
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