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Hoping to start a thread here on bike/equipment trends that should've died/should die, past and present. I got one to start. :D

I'm just getting back into road cycling after an 11+ year lay-off. As a result, it's a bit like stepping out of a time capsule, but I'm glad some things have mostly died off... like the dreaded ULTRA NARROW CLINCHER phenomenon of the late '80s/early '90s.

Basically, back then, some 'genius'/moron marketing guys decided that if 700x23 is good, then 700x20 must be even better. Lookit how LIGHT the tires are! Lookit the PRESSURES you can pump 'em up to! What's not to LOVE!?! :devil:

And bikies, being ever the suckers for the latest trend, totally bought into it... for awhile, anyway. Which then started an 'arms race' to get even narrower... 700x19, 700x18... as STOCK tires on midpriced bikes. In all sizes. Eek! :eek:ut:

Eventually, the road riders of the era, pinch-flatted beyond recognition and sore-thumbed from having to hitch-hike home yet again from their previously low-hassle training rides, woke up and smelt the coffee.

700x18/19 tires and their ilk were consigned to the dustbin of history, at least as stock equipment for all but tiny riders and time trialers.

Why do I mention this? So we "don't get fooled again", as the old Who song goes.

If anyone else has any 'stupid bike/equipment trends' they'd like to add, post 'em here. I'm sure we could all learn a lot from the mistakes of the past (and present). :idea:


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i cant believe campy are going 11 speed...its getting ridiculous...

eventually will all be riding about on 47 speed bikes with 1 meter seat stay width

surely theres a point when it's just not optimal...

on top of all that 10's just a nice round number
 

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Stupid socks

I think the new socks with all the stupid graphics and lettering (beer logos, humping rabbits, etc.) on them are for the most part stupid. I do like my Lion of Flanders socks, though.
 

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Stupid socks

I think the new socks with all the stupid graphics and lettering (beer logos, humping rabbits, etc.) on them are for the most part stupid. I do like my Lion of Flanders socks, though.

Doesn't anyone make plain black or white socks anymore?
 

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+1 on the 11 speeds. I'm still using an 8-speed drivetrain and have never wanted more gears. It would be nice if there were a wider selection of drop-barred bikes that would take wider tires and would allow the bars to be mounted higher without one of those ugly 3" risers. Rack and fender mounts would also be nice.
 

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Carbon fiber bars & stems. They're actually heavier than alloy. Seats that are more like butt floss than anything to sit on. Titanium bolts/nuts/screws. Compact style frames - IMO they're fugly. +1 on the socks. Road tires with tread. Computers that measure speed, ave. speed, time ridden, time of day, cadence, lap times, split times, altitude, % of grade, power output, heart rate, wind speed, temperature, direction, humidity, time of sunset/sunrise, calories, toenail hardness, earlobe length, how long it's been since you last shaved and showered, whether or not your hands are clean, tire pressure, how full your bladder is, and your average rectal temperature.
 

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Mr. Versatile said:
Carbon fiber bars & stems. They're actually heavier than alloy. Seats that are more like butt floss than anything to sit on. Titanium bolts/nuts/screws. Compact style frames - IMO they're fugly. +1 on the socks. Road tires with tread. Computers that measure speed, ave. speed, time ridden, time of day, cadence, lap times, split times, altitude, % of grade, power output, heart rate, wind speed, temperature, direction, humidity, time of sunset/sunrise, calories, toenail hardness, earlobe length, how long it's been since you last shaved and showered, whether or not your hands are clean, tire pressure, how full your bladder is, and your average rectal temperature.
That is the most singularly awesome display of retro-grouchness/curmudgeon-ness I have ever seen. And rightfully so!

I am in awe, sir. :thumbsup:


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leviathans_child said:
i cant believe campy are going 11 speed...its getting ridiculous...

eventually will all be riding about on 47 speed bikes with 1 meter seat stay width

surely theres a point when it's just not optimal...

on top of all that 10's just a nice round number
Word. Anything to one-up the other guy I guess (in this case, Shimano), even if it's not particularly needed. :prrr:

I guess it'll stop when we all have 11-28 straight blocks? Aughhh. Imagine shifting through that mess. :yikes:

What renders it even stupider is that compact cranks allow riders to get a low gear without going to big cogs, thus reducing the number of cogs you need. Instead of running a 12-27 cassette with 53/39 'rings, you can run an 11-23 'sette with 50/34, and you only have to cover 12 teeth of jumps instead of 15. Ditto a 53/39 with 12-23 vs 11 or 12-21 with the compact crank.

Maybe we could use more cogs on the mountain bike side, but not on the road. And at some point soon even there it becomes stupid. 12 cogs I'd think would be the absolute max before the friendly guys in the white shirts show up to take the engineering team away. :eek:ut:

The funny part is that I see this while having had one of the most horrible 'not enough cogs' experiences of anyone ever (single-speed riders, please to shaddup in advance ;-) ). I did the Davis Double Century back in the late '80s, on not much training and a used bike that was set up quite sh***y. But I was too green to know it at the time.

Only 6 cogs in back, on a wide-range 14-17-20-24-28-32 freewheel. I was NEVER in the right gear for the entire 200 miles, every gear I wanted was well between the ratios I had, all the time. It was super-frustrating and suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. 200 miles is hard enough, but 200 miles in the wrong gear?!? Sounds a bit like something they do to ppl at Guantanamo.

That and the 38cm handlebars and tie-on gel seat cover (remember those horrid things?) just totally farked up the ride for me. Total pain, total inefficiency. Didn't get out of bed the next day.

The funny thing is how easy the fix was. Not too long after that I was riding a 7-spd freewheel, 13-26, with 52/39 'rings (old crankset wouldn't go below 42), and it was just about perfect for sport riding. That was almost 20 years ago. So, to be honest, we solved most of this problem a long time ago, for most everyone 'cept the racer/wannabe racer crowd. :shocked:

Of course, some ppl are greedy and want a 'wide range straight block' or WR near straight block, even if they don't truly need it (and I admit, on some days I may be one of those people). Fine. Go with an 11 or 12-23 10-spd 'sette, and 50/34 compact crank. Mostly one-tooth jumps, and a quite low low. Want super-low, go to a triple. Done.

But even though the problem's mostly solved, the marketing guys want to keep beating the dead horse until money falls out of its ass. And they'll keep doing it 'til bikies finally go, en masse, "Errr... why do I need 16 cogs, again?". :hand:

And some ppl actually wonder why Grant Petersen and the retro-grouch squad exist. Yeesh.


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Biopace rings. Ugh. Everywhere but the granny ring on my mtn bike that is! Worked fairly well for me actually!

I just recently bought myself a Regal Ti saddle. Been meaning to try one since the late 80s... Wow! Heaven on a bike!

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Biopace rings. Ugh. Everywhere but the granny ring on my mtn bike that is! !
Omg... totally forgot about those things. Hated 'em from day one! :skep:
 

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These are all great points. personally id like to see some 80's/ early 90's paint schemes come back... what so wrong with white bikes covered in neon orange, yellow, lime, teal etc. graphics. I do like the fun socks since i wear them to work and all, it sounds off but im allergic to most black socks but cycling ones seem to work fine. I agree with you all on the gears too... i ran a 12-25ish ultegra on my mountain bike and was fine so an 11 speed road bike is just not needed. I definately agree with the abundance of disc only mountain bikes... ive ridden a good amount of trails and my v brakes never failed me... they could stop on a dime just like all my friends discs. the carbon everything is getting really annoying too..... i understand the concept of a carbon frame but to me they feel like they dont have a soul. my aluminum with carbon stays is comfy enough for me. carbon forks rock and all but bars and stems are simply heavy overpriced eye candy.
 

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this sums it up pretty good.
On the plus side, the gentleman in the pic will be free to legally marry whomever he wants in my great home state of California come Monday. :lol:
 

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Electronic shifting.

Why can't we admit there's not really that good a reason apart from "We Can!"????
 

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Ugly-ass 'extreme' paint jobs. :rolleyes:






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