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Hi all,
I'm looking for a commuter for my 15 mile ride to work. I've narrowed my search to the Crosscheck and Doublecross. What are some of the advantages/disadvantages to each? I can find plenty of local shops to build them, but nobody has one I can test ride. I'm kind of leaning toward the Crosscheck Complete because it means I don't have to build it myself.

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I have a Cross-Check and it's really comfortable for me. I ride it fixed and I have no trouble going out on long-ish rides on it as it fits me really well.

I commuted on it 19 miles through DC on it and it was completely fine for me.

Both are great bikes; I know nothing about the Soma first hand so I can't comment.
 

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FatTireFred said:
you ever gonna ride fixed or SS?
do you want the original or a copy?
they are pretty much the same
I'm tempted to ride it SS and it looks like the dropouts on the Soma won't handle that. Makes me lean toward the Surly. How tough is it to convert to a SS once it's set up geared?

An original or copy? Makes no difference to me. I'd rather judge on something like quality or price; I have no problem with copies.

They do look the same. I read up on these things and keep coming back to the crosscheck. Honestly, after all my searching I haven't read a bad review of it yet. I guess it's fairly heavy, that seems to be the drawback. From the manufacturers sites they weigh about the same though so...
 

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I'd go surly

Love my surly that i just picked up for commuting... mine is a bit loner, 30 miles, so i went with their pacer... sweet bike and absolutely love the feel of it. Only drawback as you stated is weight, but surly's are meant to be ridden and beat, not like a lighweight frameset... my pacer ran around 6 lbs for frame and full steel fork, but for a commutter, no problem...

Think I build mine up for about 1000 total with full 105 9 speed, and some other nice parts, so its definately affordable...
 

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one other consideration i had is the geometry.. got the pacer with a 56.5 top tube... which is exactly what i like, think the crosscheck was 55.5 and 57... not a huge difference, but i was leaning toward the pacer, and that sealed the deal for me...
 

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I've been looking at these two and the Crosshairs...

I just asked a similar question on the cyclocross board looking for advice between the Doublecross and the Gunnar Crosshairs. The Surly seems designed along the same lines as these two.

Among the three the Gunnar is the priciest. Am I correct in understanding that it is also the only one made in the USA? Beyond this distinction all seem to be comparable geometry, weight, and build quality. My intent is to build a geared bike, so SS dropout is not an issue.

Anything else to consider? All other things equal is it as simple as deciding whether a US made frame is worth the additional cost?
 

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except that the Surly is now "custom" 4130 Cromo, while the Soma is 631.

yeah, ok, but old cross checks- at least the first year models- were 631. btw, soma is supposedly changing over from 631 to tange prestige. would anyone notice any difference between any of the tubesets? doubt it

two possible advantages in the somas corner are the extended head tube and a brazed on rear brake hanger (not the finicky seatpost clamp thing like on the surly)... very minor and I would pick fit over those things... of course, the geometries are incredibly close (at least in my size)
 

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Vick said:
I just asked a similar question on the cyclocross board looking for advice between the Doublecross and the Gunnar Crosshairs. The Surly seems designed along the same lines as these two.

Among the three the Gunnar is the priciest. Am I correct in understanding that it is also the only one made in the USA? Beyond this distinction all seem to be comparable geometry, weight, and build quality. My intent is to build a geared bike, so SS dropout is not an issue.

Anything else to consider? All other things equal is it as simple as deciding whether a US made frame is worth the additional cost?
color. you can choose a color on the gunnar, or the color of the month.
the others come in their respective colors...

i have a bean green crosscheck. I don;t know about the others, but my frame has TONS of tire clearance.
i would like a brazed on a brake cable stop in the back, which the Xcheck doesnt have.

i would go by what's in stock at the shop you like. the surly might need some prepping, like facing and chasing, so make sure the shop will do that included in the price.

if you like the folks at a shop. go there, and ask them. they might go by what they have in stock or what they have had good experiences with.
 

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Can't speak for the Soma, but the cross check is solid. I commuted on it for 2.5 years and it was comfy and fun to ride. Mud, rocks, crappy roads: no problems. The picture shows it with 28 tires but when I commuted it had cross tires.

Get it, you won't regret it.

J
 

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I went looking at a few of the stores today and ran into a bit of a problem. A place called Northwest Bicycle on 21st in NW Portland had a bunch in stock. They had a 54cm Crosscheck Complete, a 58cm all decked out for ~$1500 and a 60cm still in the box. I'd like the "complete" model as it's ~700 less, but they didn't have a 58cm.

Not sure if I need a 58cm or 60cm. I'm 6'1, 178lbs and have a 33" inseam. The 54cm was definitely too small, the 58 felt ok. Do I ask them to build up the 60 so I can try it or just order me a 58? Before dropping $1k I'd like to test ride it :/ From what I can tell most folks my size ride a 58.

Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate it.
 

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I went looking at a few of the stores today and ran into a bit of a problem. A place called Northwest Bicycle on 21st in NW Portland had a bunch in stock. They had a 54cm Crosscheck Complete, a 58cm all decked out for ~$1500 and a 60cm still in the box. I'd like the "complete" model as it's ~700 less, but they didn't have a 58cm.

Not sure if I need a 58cm or 60cm. I'm 6'1, 178lbs and have a 33" inseam. The 54cm was definitely too small, the 58 felt ok. Do I ask them to build up the 60 so I can try it or just order me a 58? Before dropping $1k I'd like to test ride it :/ From what I can tell most folks my size ride a 58.

Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate it.
I am a little over 6' and I ride a 56. the 56 has a 57 TT while the 58 has a 58 TT, so pretty similar. I would choose between those 2. the 60 will be big.
I would ask about the 58, saying that you want a 58, but with a cheaper spec. if it's a good shop, they might be able to swap a few key parts to bring the price down.
say you want a complete Xcheck for $1k out the door, and they will either swap parts on the instock model to get it down there, or order you a complete Xcheck new. up to them. you can test ride the costlier 58 to get a feel for fit.

but there might be something easy to swap, like wheels, to bring the price down.
 

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jh_on_the_cape said:
I am a little over 6' and I ride a 56. the 56 has a 57 TT while the 58 has a 58 TT, so pretty similar. I would choose between those 2. the 60 will be big.
I would ask about the 58, saying that you want a 58, but with a cheaper spec. if it's a good shop, they might be able to swap a few key parts to bring the price down.
say you want a complete Xcheck for $1k out the door, and they will either swap parts on the instock model to get it down there, or order you a complete Xcheck new. up to them. you can test ride the costlier 58 to get a feel for fit.

but there might be something easy to swap, like wheels, to bring the price down.
Ok so I'll shoot for a 58cm. I did test ride it and it felt pretty good. Theirs had all sorts of upgrades: chris king headset, upgraded wheels, brakes, 105 components, STI shifters etc etc. They want $880 for a bone stock Crosscheck Complete and this one was $1500. I'll ask them if they pull some of the goodies off and get me closer to a grand.

Solid advice jh, thanks for taking the time to post.
 

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Ok so I'll shoot for a 58cm. I did test ride it and it felt pretty good. Theirs had all sorts of upgrades: chris king headset, upgraded wheels, brakes, 105 components, STI shifters etc etc. They want $880 for a bone stock Crosscheck Complete and this one was $1500. I'll ask them if they pull some of the goodies off and get me closer to a grand.

Solid advice jh, thanks for taking the time to post.
I would also suggest the 58cm, the 60cm would be a little big. I had 58cm that I felt was too big for me (plus a little heavy for racing) and I am 6'2".
 

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Vick said:
I just asked a similar question on the cyclocross board looking for advice between the Doublecross and the Gunnar Crosshairs. The Surly seems designed along the same lines as these two.

Among the three the Gunnar is the priciest. Am I correct in understanding that it is also the only one made in the USA? Beyond this distinction all seem to be comparable geometry, weight, and build quality. My intent is to build a geared bike, so SS dropout is not an issue.

Anything else to consider? All other things equal is it as simple as deciding whether a US made frame is worth the additional cost?
well that and the fact that the Gunnar is a much higher quality frame than the Soma or Surly (not necessary better depending on what you want it for), but its tubing is lighter, and it is produced by Waterford (as you probably know).
 

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You made a good choice. I test rode both and went with the Soma, largely due to the fact that it was readily available and Cross Checks were as common as unicorns when I was ready to purchase.

The difference in geometry did play a bit of a role as well. The semi-sloping Soma top tube allowed me to buy a top tube appropriate for a 60cm frame (59.2cm or something like that) and retain a little more standover clearance.

Looking forward to the pictures. Don't forget the fenders.
 

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Ordered up the 58cm. Should be ready by next Thursday. Now comes that oh so tough wait. Thanks for the help guys, I'll post back with a pic or 2 once I get her runnin'.
nice. yes, get fenders (planet bike freddy) blinkie lights, tubes, etc. when you buy the bike and they might cut you a deal. it doesnt come with pedals. my crosscheck has the clips on one side, platforms on the other. nice for commuting.

so you got the standard crosscheck spec? the wouldn't dumb down the 58 on the floor for you? my guess is someone at the shop built that up... and will own it at cost come fall! but it worked... you got to use the demo so it's all good.
 

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jh_on_the_cape said:
nice. yes, get fenders (planet bike freddy) blinkie lights, tubes, etc. when you buy the bike and they might cut you a deal. it doesnt come with pedals. my crosscheck has the clips on one side, platforms on the other. nice for commuting.

so you got the standard crosscheck spec? the wouldn't dumb down the 58 on the floor for you? my guess is someone at the shop built that up... and will own it at cost come fall! but it worked... you got to use the demo so it's all good.
I've got lights, but I could use the fenders & tubes. I'll try & haggle with them a bit and I like your idea about clips/platform pedals... good for both. Platforms are easier for my Saturday morning trip to the coffee shop and clips are better for the ride into work.

They didn't even consider dumbing down the 58. Hue, the guy who I worked with, nice as he is I think you're right... that'll be his bike. He's my size, but stronger and a much better cyclist. I'll just bet he'll own that bike come fall.

The only upgrade that I'm seriously considering is a Brooks B17 saddle like this: http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/14531-270_BROST6-3-Parts-67-Saddles/Brooks-B-17-Standard-Saddle.htm
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