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At How Many Cogs Does the Madness End?

  • At 12-spd road/13-spd gravel (what it is now).

  • At 13-speed everything.

  • 14-speed

  • 15-speed

  • 16-speed

  • 18-speed

  • 20-speed

  • More than 20 (!!)

  • “Something something CVT” (even though that doesn’t answer the Q, and CVT is heavy).

  • I’m terrified to even guess.

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Okay, Shimano has now officially announced 12-speed road, bringing it into line with SRAM and Campy. Now all of the Big Three ‘go to 12’, for road at least (& Campy goes to 13, with gravel/Ekar). ⚙

Question is now, “When does it end?”.
Or CAN it even end, given that,

1) Adding an extra cog every 4-5 yrs drives the upgrade cycle ( 💵 ), and

2) Increasingly popular 1x drivetrains need A LOT of cogs in order to have BOTH a wide range AND small jumps between gears.

So, ok, understandable. But that said… does anyone really wanna shift through a 20-cog cassette someday? Or even close? Bleah. 😖

If you feel like doing the math, it’s pretty easy… for a 400% gearing range with an avg jump of 10%, you need something like 15 or 16 cogs (thinking of 1x drivetrains here). For a 500% range w/10%, it’s like 18 cogs.

Thoughts? Poll’ll be up in a minute.

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Btw, I voted 14-speed… but more out of a sense of hope than anything else. 🤞🏼
 

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How wide can they spread the rear triangle before the chain stays start fouling the crank arms? A frame built with 145mm tandem hub spacing and rim brakes should have room for an ungodly amount of gears. Maybe someone will figure out how to build more dish into a wheel, or a single sheet of carbon in the middle of the 145mm old hub instead of spokes, maybe 60\65mm of room for a cassette. They're getting 13 on 35mm freehub body so 60mm should be good for 23 or so.

When will us cyclists quit chasing the latest and greatest innovation?

Or maybe they'll stop when cyclists start suing because all that shifting is causing carpel tunnel.
 

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e-bike, end the madness!
You'll have to replace the batteries every few years, it's always something.
 

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What's really interesting is which 'gear regimens' become obsolete, and which don't. Seven-speed is still used in some urban bikes, 9-sp is still used in touring bikes, 11-sp will stick around for a while in the less-than-top road bikes, but 8-sp and 10-sp seem to have disappeared.
 

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IDK. If you need all these gears, what was wrong with the triple? I was perfectly happy with 2x9 on a road bike and 1x11 on the mountain bike. Heck, I was good with 2x10 on the mountain bike.
 

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I think they need to systems like the Rolhoff hub.


Already popular in ebikes.

Work on the weight and with the gates carbon belt you have a system that is worry free.

An antilock disc brakes and you have the future of bikes.
 

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My most nagging need of past was the 16T bridge between the 15T & 17T gap, with that everything else is a pleasant bonus.
 

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Someone should 'invent' a triple crankset and that should take care of the thirst for more gears. In all seriousness though we are probably about a decade away from marketing departments figuring we all forgot about that and touting a triple as the latest and greatest.

I'm just glad I stocked up with a lifetime supply of of 10 speed stuff (right after 11 came out and it was cheap). Not that 10 is the magic number just that I needed to draw a line in the sand somewhere and buy a lifetime supply so I didn't need to get an entire group and new hub because I couldn't find a cassette or something in the future.
 

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I've a coupla bikes with 10 and one with 11 and my legs can't tell the difference.
 

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"They" will never stop.
I stopped at 10 cogs, 3 rings.
That's all that matters, personally.
 
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IDK. If you need all these gears, what was wrong with the triple?
Q-factor.
Weight.
Complexity.
Looking ‘uncool’.

Though admittedly, some of those are either minor or silly reasons.
 

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"They" will never stop.
I stopped at 10 cogs, 3 rings.
That's all that matters, personally.
Yeah, I drew my line in the sand a year ago and built up a steel frame with external cable routing and Dura Ace 9000 11 speed. Rim brakes. This is it for me (good lord willing and the creek don’t rise). Dura Ace C24 wheels. Great stopping power, push button perfect shifting and steady as can be in wind and descending. Got the build very close to 17 lbs. For me, I don’t see a need to upgrade beyond this...


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my line in the sand was 15 years ago.
since then, it's been classic & vintage w/ friction.
To keep me interested and busy
I haven't missed much, as a road cyclist.



clear your handlebars and your mind will follow.
 

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Q-factor.
Weight.
Complexity.
Looking ‘uncool’.

Though admittedly, some of those are either minor or silly reasons.
Who says we won't go to 4, 5 or even more rings in the front?
 

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