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So, I went to see Watchmen this AM. My impressions are below - I don't think they're entirely spoilers, but read on at your own risk...
































In short: It was OK. It's a very literal translation of 75% of the novel - I'm not sure if that makes a good movie in this case. (It worked for Sin City, but that's a little different). I think anybody who hasn't read the novel will be a little lost.

Airing of Grievances:
1. They changed the climax - not a huge change, but imagine that, in LotR, Frodo willingly throws the ring away. Enough that it really changes the feeling of the ending.
2. The 'Forrest Gump' soundtrack really doesn't fit.
3. 'Ride of the Valkyries' for a Vietnam scene - seriously? We've all seen Apocalypse Now - you don't have to make an homage to it.
4. In general, too leading - Rorschach is too obvious in the background/street scenes, it's far too clear Ozymandias is the 'bad guy' too early.
5. The Nite Owl/Silk Spectre sex scene in the owl ship is absurdly over the top.
6. Nixon's nose prosthetic.

Overall, meh - I'm sure I'll watch it again, but I won't be in a big hurry to do so.
 

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all look like things i was worried about.

however, the owl ship scene came off as a bit over the top in the book. and i thought you were supposed to catch on to rory on the streets and ozy very early on, too.

paying hommage is nice, but that has been to death.

and by forrest gump, if you mean standard songs that shout, "HEY! IT"S 197x!" i might have to walk out.
unless they play bostons "more than a feelin" during the owl ship scene. if that happens, i will stand up, strip naked, cheer, sing along, and run up and down the aisles tossing popcorn in the air.
 

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weltyed said:
all look like things i was worried about.

however, the owl ship scene came off as a bit over the top in the book. and i thought you were supposed to catch on to rory on the streets and ozy very early on, too.

paying hommage is nice, but that has been to death.

and by forrest gump, if you mean standard songs that shout, "HEY! IT"S 197x!" i might have to walk out.
unless they play bostons "more than a feelin" during the owl ship scene. if that happens, i will stand up, strip naked, cheer, sing along, and run up and down the aisles tossing popcorn in the air.
I would have liked to see them update the timeframe to the present. What's really the point of setting it during the Nixon cold war era?
 

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weltyed said:
all look like things i was worried about.

however, the owl ship scene came off as a bit over the top in the book. and i thought you were supposed to catch on to rory on the streets and ozy very early on, too.

paying hommage is nice, but that has been to death.

and by forrest gump, if you mean standard songs that shout, "HEY! IT"S 197x!" i might have to walk out.
unless they play bostons "more than a feelin" during the owl ship scene. if that happens, i will stand up, strip naked, cheer, sing along, and run up and down the aisles tossing popcorn in the air.
the filmed owl ship scene is wayyy over the top. I hate the fact that my cow-irker calls just about everything 'soft porn', but in this case it might fit.

Rory and Ozy are both alluded to in the book, but not as strongly/obviously as in the film. Specifically, any time we see Rory on the street out-of-costume, he seems to be looking at the scene/main characters, as opposed to staring at the sidewalk like in the comic.

Soundtrack isn't that bad, just jarring IMO. The song played during the owl ship scene is ridiculous though - but not Boston.
 

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Bocephus Jones II said:
I would have liked to see them update the timeframe to the present. What's really the point of setting it during the Nixon cold war era?
This I'm not sure about - a big part of the key story hinges on the Cold War/paranoia/arms race idea - obviously they could have rewritten around this, but it would be difficult to come up with such a unifying threat (terr'ists are a little less threatening than nuclear holocaust IMO).

Also I think the notion of 'winning' in Vietnam plays a strong role.

Bottom line though, to make an excellent movie, they needed to do better than just follow the novel.
 

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Bottom line though, to make an excellent movie, they needed to do better than just follow the novel.
True...but I can see this story totally getting botched by another director. I'll have to report back once I've seen it.

I think they could have rewritten the story enough to make it work in present time though. There are enough parallels to work with.
 

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is the song "pour some sugar on me?" "girls, girls, girls?" "whoooooooo are you?"

i was prying it wouldnt be updated to modern times. that would have completely ruined the macrocosm of the movie. you NEED the vietnam win. the total US superiority thing. the entire, "dr manhattan is one of us."
updating it to be about iraq and terrorism would fail. would they save the twin towers? and who would be president?
 

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is the song "pour some sugar on me?" "girls, girls, girls?" "whoooooooo are you?"
not even close...







bizarre choice IMO....







wait for it....





'Hallelujah' by Leonard Cohen....





srsly.
 

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not even close...







bizarre choice IMO....







wait for it....





'Hallelujah' by Leonard Cohen....





srsly.
LOL! They should have used the Jeff Buckley version.
 

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is it the LC version? should be JB, if anything. but that song has been done way too much, too. wasnt it even in shrek, from chrissakes?
 

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is it the LC version? should be JB, if anything. but that song has been done way too much, too. wasnt it even in shrek, from chrissakes?
I'm pretty sure it was LC - that's what I remember the credits saying @ 3am this morning...

//is it bad that my first exposure to that song was Shrek?
 

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So, after reading Ebert's very positive review, I'm excited to see this film.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090304/REVIEWS/903049997

As for updating it, I don't see why they would need to do that any more than a film version of a Victorian novel needs an update. There are a lot of very good reasons to do period pieces, and there's no reason Watchmen can't be good as a period piece. Even if that period is 1987. It was a real time, and there's still a lot to learn today from the paranoia that fueled it. I think the point can come across without trying to shoehorn it into modern circumstances.

I'm happy that they're sticking largely to the story, even if that leaves some folks behind. It's not like I'm banking on a "Watchmen 2."

If the cinematography and effects are anywhere as good throughout as the trailer looks, I'll be happy.
 

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MILD SPOILERS

































I just got back. It's terrible.

the good:
opening credits
rorshach in jail
the comedian

the bad:
everything else.... and there's a TON of it.
 

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MILD SPOILERS

































I just got back. It's terrible.

the good:
opening credits
rorshach in jail
the comedian

the bad:
everything else.... and there's a TON of it.
Hmm...that doesn't sound good. I'm still kinda excited to see it tonite. Will report back tomorrow with my thoughts.
 

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Hmm...that doesn't sound good. I'm still kinda excited to see it tonite. Will report back tomorrow with my thoughts.

If you like the comic, you owe it to yourself. Plus, maybe terrible is a bit strong. It's not terrible... just bad. It starts off very strong and tanks.
 

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If you like the comic, you owe it to yourself. Plus, maybe terrible is a bit strong. It's not terrible... just bad. It starts off very strong and tanks.
I was glad to have seen it and it was amazing visually, but it kinda left me flat. I guess it was such an imitation of the graphic novel that there wasn't much "story" to really watch unfold. I felt I knew that already--plus it was just way too long for a movie IMO.

The effects were just amazing the the characters and scenes were over the top enough to sell the message that they were in a parallel universe and not ours. The sex scene was kinda funny it was so over the top as was the elaborate,cartoonish ways they all found to break bones and kill people. Just amazing how close the film looked compared to the novel though. I would like to see it in IMAX just for that.

FWIW...I also liked the new ending here. Grade? Let's say C+ or B- overall and B+ to A visually and for being true to the spirit of the novel.
 

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I think my grade would be C-. It has some very cool visuals - SS jumping into that burning building was... hot. I liked most of the flashbacks with the Comedian as well. He was perfectly cast. I thought the high point of the movie was the opening credits. Whoever thought up that montage did a really good job of departing from the source material but staying true to the spirit of the book. I wasn't really a fan of the new ending, but I can see why it was changed. To be honest, the ending in the comic wasn't all that great, but at least it was unique. I felt that maybe the film's ending was just a bit too topical, too 21st century.

I think a lot of my dislike for this film comes down to my blatant Moore fanboyism. I'm not sure any treatment of Watchmen would make me happy. I read it as a kid around 1992, and I've probably read it a couple dozen times since. As far as Moore films go, it's ahead of LOEG and behind V and From Hell. I thought the latter two were good movies, though not exactly mind-blowing like the comics.

P.S. I re-read From Hell last week... sheesh that's good.
 

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Haven't seen it, but I'm guessing that this review is pretty in line with what my assessment will be:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/04/AR2009030403970.html

What I found interesting about the review, is how the writer feels about the source material. I'm re-reading it right now, and OMG......pretentious, bloated and horrible dialogue. It also takes itself waaaaay too seriously.

I'll probably still go see the movie, just because I love "event" movies. Even when they sort of suck.
 
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