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Great. 10 speed Ultegra 6700 will be cheaper and I can upgrade without breaking the bank! :D

OK, seriously I never needed more that 2x10 speeds. I don't get this craze for 2x11 speeds.
 

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Great. 10 speed Ultegra 6700 will be cheaper and I can upgrade without breaking the bank! :D

OK, seriously I never needed more that 2x10 speeds. I don't get this craze for 2x11 speeds.
You mean 11 speed like Campy has had for years?

Someone has said "I don't see the need for..." since 5 speed changed to 6 speed. Still just as silly.
 

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That is why the UCI is so awesome! They try to contain technological advancement so we can ride the same bikes forever.
 

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You mean 11 speed like Campy has had for years?

Someone has said "I don't see the need for..." since 5 speed changed to 6 speed. Still just as silly.
Yes like Campy has had for years.

I have a 50-34 and a 10-speed 12-23 cassette, so no gaps between gear ratios. I can climb up to 15-17% hills and go downhill faster than 35mph. So what am I missing? Certainly not another gear.


I'm not talking about 8 or 9 speed cassettes. I'm specifically talking about 10 speed cassettes. If you are fat enough to need a 22/36 gear ratio to go uphill, then no 11-speed or 12-speed of infinite-speed cassettes will make you better and faster. But it is silly for anyone to think so.
Anyway, it's your money and you spend it as you like. Corporations always need money to invest and innovate. Please help them while I'll be riding my 2x10-speed bike. Thanks!
 

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Yes like Campy has had for years.

I have a 50-34 and a 10-speed 12-23 cassette, so no gaps between gear ratios. I can climb up to 15-17% hills and go downhill faster than 35mph. So what am I missing? Certainly not another gear.


I'm not talking about 8 or 9 speed cassettes. I'm specifically talking about 10 speed cassettes. If you are fat enough to need a 22/36 gear ratio to go uphill, then no 11-speed or 12-speed of infinite-speed cassettes will make you better and faster. But it is silly for anyone to think so.
Anyway, it's your money and you spend it as you like. Corporations always need money to invest and innovate. Please help them while I'll be riding my 2x10-speed bike. Thanks!
As a matter of fact, I AM "fat" enough to need something other than an 11-23 to climb hills. My Campy-equipped Cyfac with 12-29 11 speed helps me do that. I don't give a crap about "better and faster", I care about having logical steps between gears which is even more important with a wide-range cassette.
 

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As a matter of fact, I AM "fat" enough to need something other than an 11-23 to climb hills. My Campy-equipped Cyfac with 12-29 11 speed helps me do that. I don't give a crap about "better and faster", I care about having logical steps between gears which is even more important with a wide-range cassette.
I guess wide range 11-speed cassettes are for fat people! :lol:
Thankfully I'm not in your shoes to need 12-29. Great! I can save some money! :smilewinkgrin:
 

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10-speed 12-23 cassette, so no gaps between gear ratios.
You actually need 12 speeds for this statement to be true. You'll probably get the option to upgrade to that in about 2020.
 

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Nice thread, krtassoc. I started a similar one in Components/Wrenching, unaware 'til now of yours.

Props on your Googling skillz. :thumbsup:
 

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You mean 11 speed like Campy has had for years?

Someone has said "I don't see the need for..." since 5 speed changed to 6 speed. Still just as silly.
True dat. But thing is, there DOES come a point of diminishing (and eventually no) returns. You see it coming, I'm sure.

Are we there yet with 11-speed? I dunno. Feels like we're getting close though.

I guess with mega-range cassettes becoming newly popular for road-riding (11-32 and the like), and also the traditional issues of some ppl 'wanting it all' (i.e. "I gots to have an 11t, and an 18t, and oh yeah, some really low gears for climbing... on a DOUBLE"), one could make an argument that we're not there yet.

What's the limit? Well, racers and racer-wannabees often insist they don't need anything beyond an 11-23 (even though some guys in the Giro use 34x29 and the like in the mountains), so I guess you could have a 13-speed straight-block. Beyond that, it'd just be extra weight and unused/almost-never-used extra cogs.

Of course, there'll always be some nimrod out there who'll want an 11-36 with small jumps throughout... what would that look like? 11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25-28-32-36... 15-speed. Wheee.

A light/cheap/reliable CVT system can't come soon enough.
 

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Giro D'Italia 2010: Stage 16 Results | Cyclingnews.com

"I took it easy when it wasn't steep and I sprinted when it was hard," Garzelli said. "For the gravelled road the smallest possible gear: 34x29. :D When I saw my time at the finish, one minute behind Pellizotti's two years ago, I thought I had done really well. Maybe the GC contenders have started too strong on the Passo Furcia."

Giro mountain stage TT winner using 34x29? Kinda blows up this statement :wink5::


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I guess wide range 11-speed cassettes are for fat people! :lol:
 

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The mainstream outlets are likely under a press embargo. i.e. they've seen the new stuff, written it up but waiting for the official launch date. They won't get early access if they mess with the Shimano machine. Other, less official, sites have probably jumped the gun.
 

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I have a 50-34 and a 10-speed 12-23 cassette, so no gaps between gear ratios. I can climb up to 15-17% hills ...
Giro mountain stage TT winner using 34x29? Kinda blows up this statement :wink5::
I don't think so:

[url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/giro-ditalia-2010/stage-16/results said:
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The key to performing well in today's stage was consistency; as riders faced 12.9km of climbing at an average gradient of 8.2 percent that maxed out at a ridiculously steep 24 percent
How often in your life do you climb 24% hills? I guess if and ever am going to go to the steepest Italian slope there is for the Giro, I'll have to buy this uber-cool 11-speed gruppo and have 28t or 29t to climb unrealistic 24% grades.


But I agree for the need of a super light CVT for road bikes. That would be a revolutionary piece I'd love to buy.
 
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