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I think that CSC's plan the last few days, even with Frank Schleck in yellow, has always been to work for Sastre. Schleck in the yellow jersey provided Sastre with the perfect distraction for the media and the peloton.

He didn't have to do interviews, other contenders wasted their energy chasing the Schleck bros. down. CSC has said that from the beginning that they were all 100% dedicated to helping Sastre win the Tour. On the climb up Alpe d'Huez the Schleck boys worked the Evans group over slowing the chase group down with their attacks.

Now all Sastre has to do is hold off a storming Cadel Evans in the final time trial.
 

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I stated the exact plan executed 2 days ago. Sastre was always the captain and Schleck was the Distraction. I believe andy Schleck was the wild card, very similar to Contrador in 07.

Sastre was there to win. Also you must consider that Sastre is not the best TTer but Frank S. is usually 1 minute slower than Carlos.

All these guys Time trial great however the margin separating the best from the worst can sometimes be less than a minute .

It's funny when people say, Sastre is a horrible in the time trials when by all standards he is at the very top, however when compared to the best he is not there. Vdv put it best by stating that Sastre is good he's just not a specialist.

I still think Evans wins but not by much. Also there could be surprises out of our control. The weather is not supposed to be good that day and this could help one guy over the other. Also a mechanical could happen.

Alot of " ifs" for Sastre to win. I would be happy to see him do so.
 

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I pick up Eurosport out of UK on Sky TV, not sure what you guys in US are watching but it has been amazing ot me to listen to these guys talk as if the whole thing will now come down to the ITT. I can not imagine teams not attacking over the next few days, why sit back and rest and hope Cadel has a bad TT?
 

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jsedlak said:
I hope Evans has a mechanical... I wouldn't want him or any other to win because of an ITT.
I am of the opposite camp. I would rather someone not win due to someone elses mechanical. What is wrong with winning because of an ITT? I think it is great. Man against man against the clock. People want to say the tour is a team race, but it isn't. Sure, you might need a team to win, but the indivual is celebrated as the winner. Evans hasn't had a team around him all tour.

I think the ITT is a perfect ending. It takes a good all around rider to win the tour.
 

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No, the ITT should not decide the race. The race should be decided on one of the remaining climbs when someone attacks and someone else can not physically respond because it is just not possible, they crack, maybe even fall off there bike and piss on themself because they have given more than they ever thought possible and there body is shutting down. I want to see agony, not "oh I guess I did not have a good time trial", how lame. We need drama.
 

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No, the ITT should not decide the race. The race should be decided on one of the remaining climbs when someone attacks and someone else can not physically respond because it is just not possible, they crack, maybe even fall off there bike and piss on themself because they have given more than they ever thought possible and there body is shutting down. I want to see agony, not "oh I guess I did not have a good time trial", how lame. We need drama.
You don't think there will be drama whenever Sastre rolls through a time check? That is more drama than someone shooting up a mountain while someone else cracks.
 

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No, the ITT should not decide the race. The race should be decided on one of the remaining climbs when someone attacks and someone else can not physically respond because it is just not possible, they crack, maybe even fall off there bike and piss on themself because they have given more than they ever thought possible and there body is shutting down. I want to see agony, not "oh I guess I did not have a good time trial", how lame. We need drama.
So time trials can't be agonizingly painfull? Just think if they had the TTT. What if the race was decided by a TTT . . . Holy smokes.

In the end a race is a race. There are always "what if's", "who does this years course suit best", mechanicals, . . . whatever . . . It's a race. The most fit rider doesn't always win, that's why we have the race. Other wise we'd just line up all the riders, put them on trainers for 30 minutes, and find out who has the highest VO2Max, and LT and proclaim him the winner. Be thankfull this year it comes down to the end.
 

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jsedlak said:
I hope Evans has a mechanical... I wouldn't want him or any other to win because of an ITT.
But you would want someone else to win because of a mechanical, yeah that seems fair lets not have people win based on ability lets instead have the race decided by a mechanical.

Sastre's ride yesterday was great and if he can hold Evans off in the TT then he deserves to win if he can't then Evans deserves to win its a simple as that the best rider over all wins.
 

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I'm just saying the race coming down to the ITT is what everyone expects. They are basically out of the Alps and history shows the leaders are going to sit back until the ITT. This is not what I want to see, I hope some of the leaders do something before Saturday. Everyone is already hurting from the last two days, lets keep the pain on, why let Cadel recover, if he is going to win make him really work for it.
 

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I'm just saying the race coming down to the ITT is what everyone expects. They are basically out of the Alps and history shows the leaders are going to sit back until the ITT. This is not what I want to see, I hope some of the leaders do something before Saturday. Everyone is already hurting from the last two days, lets keep the pain on, why let Cadel recover, if he is going to win make him really work for it.
Were you watching yesterday - he did work for it.

It would be great if we saw some more GC action over the next two days but really think we won't because not is Evans tired they all are.

Added: Actually I take that back I think we might see some attacking for the GC.
 

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83 K to go, CSC is on the front, Lotto sitting in the back, its 3pm here in germany, I'm going for a ride. I will watch the rerun tonight. I guess if nobody makes a move and Cadel wins it in the TT he deserves it. Anyone think Sastre can hold his time on Cadel in the TT?
 

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I truly think Frank Schleck was not their main goal and Sastre was the main man for their GC.

Andy has been awesome for sure as well.
 

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I truly think Frank Schleck was not their main goal and Sastre was the main man for their GC.

Andy has been awesome for sure as well.
Frank always said that Andy has the bigger engine. Andy is definitely the GC man of the future.

As far as Sastre goes, I always believed that given 1min40sec head start, he has the better chance of holding onto it in a TT.

On paper it looks like Evans should come out ahead. But what many people forget are factors like fatigue, weather, narrow twisty roads, motivation. In another thread I posted last year's Vuelta TT results. Why? Because it was the last grand tour where both Evans and Sastre had a podium position at stake.

Like a an old baseball figure once said: "It ain't over 'till it's over".
 

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Rider07 said:
No, the ITT should not decide the race. The race should be decided on one of the remaining climbs when someone attacks and someone else can not physically respond because it is just not possible, they crack, maybe even fall off there bike and piss on themself because they have given more than they ever thought possible and there body is shutting down. I want to see agony, not "oh I guess I did not have a good time trial", how lame. We need drama.
Drama? There was never anymore drama in the TDF than when LeMond beat Fignon in the ITT into Paris. ITT's can provide plenty of drama.

Also, why didn't Evans go with Sastre? It was obvious that at that moment he was the primary threat. What does he gain by sticking on Schleck's wheel except to end up with a larger time gap on a more dangerous challenger?
 

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Drama? There was never anymore drama in the TDF than when LeMond beat Fignon in the ITT into Paris. ITT's can provide plenty of drama.

Also, why didn't Evans go with Sastre? It was obvious that at that moment he was the primary threat. What does he gain by sticking on Schleck's wheel except to end up with a larger time gap on a more dangerous challenger?
He didn't go because he couldn't or at least felt like he couldn't without possibly blowing and having Frank or anyone of the others counter him. Evans had to ride defensive because A) its what hes best at boring or not he knows what he can do B) Everyone else was looking to take time out of him so no one was going to help him which is fair enough he is the big favorite and C) CSC had so many cards to play.
 

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I find it difficult to understand why people don't want the race to "come down to an ITT."

First of all, it happens to be the second to last stage of the race. The last ITT was destined to be a deciding factor before the race even started, if only by virtue of its position in the race. Would you really want the yellow jersey wearer going into that stage to have an insurmountable lead?? Not me.

Second, I disagree that the race will come down to one stage. All the stages have had an impact on who will win, some stages more than others (mtn top finishes, ITTs).

Regarding yesterday's stage, why was Andy S. getting chased down on the final climb? Wasn't he something like 9 minutes down.
 
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