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For a relaxed more upright: I believe the Cervelo RS, Giant Defy,Cannondale Synapse,Bianchi 928 C2C, Look 566.

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The Trek Madone "Performance" models with the 30mm taller head tube.
 

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Just about every manufacturer makes a plush ride these days. Check out Bicycling Magazine bike review issue for some examples plush bikes.
 

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Yeah, I know they all make plush bikes - I just want first hand experience rather than marketing speak on what the real benefit is and what you give up in return ?
 

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There really is something to the fit of this type of bike that makes them different too. The carbon is usually set up to make them a little smoother, but they also usually have taller head tubes and shorter top tubes so the riding position is slightly more upright. I rode my friends Giant Defy Advanced, and it was defintely not a poor handling bike as a previous poster said that bikes in this class are. It was VERY responsive and handled quickly and predictibly. It sure doesn't look like a comfort oriented road bike, thats for sure! It looks great, but that is my opinion.
 

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Snopro440 said:
usually have taller head tubes and shorter top tubes so the riding position is slightly more upright.
As well, they usually have more lax head tube angles; a race-type bike will have a 73-74 deg HTA, a comfort bike will have a 72-73 deg HTA. The comfort bike may have a more lax seat tube angle as well.

Both lax head and seat tube angles locate the handlebar closer to the saddle.

Comfort bikes often have a more shock-absorbent rear triangle as well. The chainstays may be flattened, like a leaf spring, and the seat stays may also be flattened or swept forward. The result is that the rear axle of the bike can travel upward. It's an active suspension without any coil springs or hydraulic shock absorber.

Sometimes the seatstays are just small in diameter, like on the Cervelo RS or the Cannondale CAAD bikes, albeit the latter is a race bike. That may reduce vibration or shock transmission, I'm not sure.

Of course, some people who ride race bikes say this is all pointless. Their criticism is that you can put fat tires and a riser stem on an race bike and it's as comfortable.

So is it? If you are curious, you'll have to test ride a race bike and a comfort bike, back-to-back. As with anything, some notice a difference, some don't.
 

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Thanks....
Personally I always prefer a longer reach so anything that brings the saddle closer to the stem isn't a good thing for me....
 

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tjjm36m3 said:
Pretty comfortable by eliminating small road buzzs, but sucks in tight turns and fast descents.
I can understand how the turning is compromised on a longer wheelbase bike

How would a racier/ shorter wheelbase bike handle the descents differently?
 

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Just how big a difference do these "plush" bikes make in terms of comfort ?
Well, here is my take. I have been riding for a year now and I have found that fitting is everything. I was currently riding a C'dale synapse 6 which had the rei fitting. "do you have aprox 2" in the crotch to top tube?" That bike was fine but I decided to upgrade. My choices were Felt z35, Scott cr1, and cervelo S1. I spend about 4 to 5 hours at the LBS that carried all 3. The first hour fitting one of the bikes to me. then, while I was putting 6 to 10 miles on it, they would set up the next one to the same measurements. I would come back, do a quick fit check and be off again. When It was all said and done, I chose the Cervelo S1 which is supposed to be more of an aggressive geo and posture. It rode just as smooth (IMO) as the other 2 or at least I couldn't tell the difference. And was as comfortable if not more than my unfitted synapse. I have been riding it one week and have put 100 miles on it and I feel fine after the ride. 48 miles yesterday and though tired as it was my longest ride ever, I didn't have to go home and lay on the couch. My point is, that I think if someone knows what they are doing in fitting you, then they should be able to make most any bike fit you. And I am not sold on entry level carbon bikes over top shelf alum. bikes.
 

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thirdin77 said:
Of course, some people who ride race bikes say this is all pointless. Their criticism is that you can put fat tires and a riser stem on an race bike and it's as comfortable.
Really? That seems odd, considerin' that some full-on race bikes can barely accept 700x25 tires, much less anything truly 'fat'. :skep:
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Interesting - thanks...... Guess you got lucky with the Synapse - as from what you describe it fitted you as well as a frame you spent hours getting fitted on!
 

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Interesting - thanks...... Guess you got lucky with the Synapse - as from what you describe it fitted you as well as a frame you spent hours getting fitted on!
No, you misunderstood. I said that I was able to get fitted to a race geometry bike and it was as comfortable if not more so that the synapse that was just top tube fitted. And I didn't spend 4 hours getting fitted, I spent for hours at the bike shop with the first hour getting fitted and the other time trying out the 3 different bikes.
 
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