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I guess I'm pretty surprised that any of the big pro teams are still using the "old" aluminum Record crank instead of the carbon version. Why is this? Teams like Quick-Step and Phonak could certainly spec anything Campagnolo makes, and cost doesn't enter the equation, so why aren't they using the carbon cranks....do they know something we don't? BTW, it's hasn't seemed to effect Boonen's early season success one bit.

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According to Boonen, he doesn't use the CF Campy cranks because they don't make them in the 177.5mm flavor that he uses. Only alloy cranks from Campy in that size.

A person can't go wrong with either. Both the CF and Alloy Campy cranks (well, at least the Record versions) are dead sexy cranks that work perfectly.
 

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....and they're those flexy old square taper bottom brackets too! It's a conspiracy I tell ya!
 

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well like the square taper BB

much of the hype around CF cranks is,well hype. weight savings is minimal, can't get the longer arm lengths (which tends to make one suspicious) and alloy is stiff and reliable. You'll notice a large number of bigger,more powerfulriders still opting for the Alu. (magnus being another example)
 

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brewster said:
I guess I'm pretty surprised that any of the big pro teams are still using the "old" aluminum Record crank instead of the carbon version. Why is this? Teams like Quick-Step and Phonak could certainly spec anything Campagnolo makes, and cost doesn't enter the equation, so why aren't they using the carbon cranks....do they know something we don't? BTW, it's hasn't seemed to effect Boonen's early season success one bit.
Don't ever forget that pro cycling teams are advertising tools. Teams ride whatever their equipment sponsor is trying to sell. If you look at a sponsors balance sheet, you'll see that race team sponsorship is counted under their advertising budget.

If sponsors did not believe that pro cycling teams could not help convince consumers to buy their products or services, they would not sponsor a team. Winning races is not the end goal, but is merely a means to the end (the end being publicity for the sponsor).

If you truly believe that racers always use the best equipment available, then the marketters have done their jobs and have you right where they want you.
 

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that doesn't explain

they are both Campy Cranks. The mfr would most likely want to sell the CF as it probably has a higher profit margin. racers are given a choice and choose what stuff they want within the limits. some guys are still using Chorus BB's as they trust the steel spindle more and nowhere, nohow is the mfr advertising that to sell. magnus is a classic example. he rides for Bianchi and 'his bike' is not even availbale to the consumer. they are one offs specifically for him. Noe if it was 'all about sales' to a pro rider/team/sponsor they'd have him on one of the floor models, doncha think?
 

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they are both Campy Cranks. The mfr would most likely want to sell the CF as it probably has a higher profit margin. racers are given a choice and choose what stuff they want within the limits. some guys are still using Chorus BB's as they trust the steel spindle more and nowhere, nohow is the mfr advertising that to sell. magnus is a classic example. he rides for Bianchi and 'his bike' is not even availbale to the consumer. they are one offs specifically for him. Noe if it was 'all about sales' to a pro rider/team/sponsor they'd have him on one of the floor models, doncha think?
Yes, riders are given a choice within limits. It is up to the manufacture to chose what those limits are. Whether a Chorus or Record BB is used is probably of little concern to sponsor Campagnolo, because consumers can't see what BB is installed. Magnus's bike might be a one off - but it is painted and otherwised marked as similarly to other Bianchis, so that to the casual observer it looks like the Bianchi in the bike shop. An extreme example of this is NASCAR race cars. They are required by their auto manufacturing sponsors to outwardly resemble cars that are sold by the manufacturer to the public. But of course, the race car is completely custom built from the ground up and functionally is nothing at all like the car it aesthetically resembles. So why do the auto manufacturers pay a lot of money to NASCAR teams, if it isn't even using the manufacturer's products? Because they are paying for the team's appearance to use their products.

And that's what it all boils down to - they want the consumer to believe that the competitor is using the sponsors products, and usually particular products (for example, a NASCAR's auto sponsor won't let them model their car's appearance on an economy model, they want it to look like the car that is marketted as a performance model).

A classic example of sponsor tightly limiting equipment choices is how so many MTB XC racers suddenly switched from V-brakes to disk brakes a few years ago. Why? Not because they asked for them, but because they were required to use them by contract to their equipment sponsor, Shimano. A few years later, when the contractual obligation was removed, many of them went back to V-brakes, because that is what they really preferred.
 

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atpjunkie said:
they are both Campy Cranks. The mfr would most likely want to sell the CF as it probably has a higher profit margin. racers are given a choice and choose what stuff they want within the limits. some guys are still using Chorus BB's as they trust the steel spindle more and nowhere, nohow is the mfr advertising that to sell. magnus is a classic example. he rides for Bianchi and 'his bike' is not even availbale to the consumer. they are one offs specifically for him. Noe if it was 'all about sales' to a pro rider/team/sponsor they'd have him on one of the floor models, doncha think?
In last month's Cyclesport, maggie said they built him the special Ti frame because he kept breaking the team ones. It would be bad advertising for bianchi if their bikes kept falling apart on international tv. So in the end, I guess it is all about sales. ;)
 

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atpjunkie said:
some guys are still using Chorus BB's as they trust the steel spindle more
uh, Record also has a steel spindle. Record also has a carbon BB shell, but people tend to crack spindles, not BB shells.

now, Phil Wood make ti spindles in various lengths ... much $$$.
 

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I think that you're also missing the obvious side of being able to use prototypes on sponsored racers bikes.
How many of you are using Campy electronic? They give it to the pros to beat the snot out of it to see how well it will hold up. You know a pro puts more abuse into a single product during 1 month or riding/racing then most of us will probably do all year.
 

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Campy does not make the 177.5 and 180mm carbon cranks, wonder who's the genius that decide to omit the very specs that are popular with the pro-riders. Obviously they feel sales won't justify the investment, but having your testimonial ride on the aluminum cranks does not seem productive to me.
I've heard that they will offer the 177.5 and 180mm carbon cranks for next season, with the new system. better late than never.
 
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