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I'm looking to buy my first racer and every single bike shop I've visited (without exception) prefer Shimano to Campagnolo. When I read the reviews here, most seem to favor Campagnolo. Why is that?

Anyway the bike I'm considering is in this link. It will be between Veloce and Ultrega.
The Veloce is about 15% cheaper.

https://www.epic-cycles.co.uk/bianchi.html


 

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My local shop is a Campy shop, all the one off bikes they build usually use Campy components, but nearly all of the complete bikes they purchase for the showroom come equiped with Shimano. The explanation that I have heard concerning this is that the vast majority of bikes are actually built and assembled in Asia. Shimano, and now SRAM drivetrain components also are manufactured in Asia, as such, they are more easily attainable for the mass production of the bikes available at most shops. At least that is the story I have heard, and it seems like a viable explanation.
 

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Shimano is a PC and Campy is a Mac. Or at least thats what my boss once told me.

I think it has a lot more to do with the business of it than the parts themselves. When I ordered parts, I was on a first name basis with my Shimano rep and had 10 different suppliers for Shimano, but I had no idea where I could get Campy directly and the only place I'd order it from was Quality.
 

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PS: Veloce is closer in quality to 105 than Ultegra (though I'm sure I'll get flamed for that) and I'd bet a bunch of Campy stuff is made in SE Asia, especially Veloce.
 

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PS: Veloce is closer in quality to 105 than Ultegra (though I'm sure I'll get flamed for that) and I'd bet a bunch of Campy stuff is made in SE Asia, especially Veloce.
I don't know how accurate it is, but I have heard for couple of years that Campy's non-Italian factory is a good deal closer than East Asia, namely Romania.
 

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when you say "prefer", what do you mean? all/most the bikes on the floor have shimano bits? that's on the the mgfers, not the the shops. shimano has been the oem favorite forever... cheaper for them prob. campy might be an option (for some shops to order on some bikes), but shimano is readily available and typically cheaper. there was awhile when performance totally quit carrying campy stuff
 

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I'm pretty good friends with a local shop owner and he is Campy authorized and he loves Campy. BUT... as a company they are a pain to deal with and the US imported stuff is way overpriced. It is very difficult to sell Campy when it can bought from Europe for about 50-60% of the US price. You can even really "sell" authorized warranty and all that because it doesn't break often enough for anybody to care and you can buy a new one from PBK and have it in a few days anyway and still be ahead $$ wise.
 

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Don't forget the whole compatibility with SRAM thing. It kind of reminds me of what happened with BluRay vs. HDDVD. The movie giants and porn industry decide to pick one standard over the other, and HDDVD is dead in the water.

Honestly, at one point in the past I expected Campy to lose favor simply because of the limited compatibility.

And really... a $300+ chain tool??

Campy screams elitist to me. But I'm a cheap bastard, so that's probably why ;)
 

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Fenrisulfur said:
I'm looking to buy my first racer and every single bike shop I've visited (without exception) prefer Shimano to Campagnolo. When I read the reviews here, most seem to favor Campagnolo. Why is that?

Anyway the bike I'm considering is in this link. It will be between Veloce and Ultrega.
The Veloce is about 15% cheaper.

http://www.epic-cycles.co.uk/bianchi.html
Shimano is easier to find than Campy--most wrenches know how to work on Shimano and not all are as up on Campy or have all the tools needed.
 

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It really comes down to YOUR personal preference. All three brands have a great product, but they all work a little different. Try riding them, and see which one you like the feel of the most.
 

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brand recognition?

i, for one, recognized the shimano brand on bike parts LONG before i got into this whole "road bikey" thing...campy is new for me
 

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The biggest reason why Shimano dominates is that Campy does not have much in OEM spec in North America. I would wager that 90% of the OEM spec'd road bikes sold in N. America are Shimano equipped. SRAM and Campy would make up that last 10%. Remember for every high-end spec'd bike sold with Record or SRAM Red, there is probably 10 or more sold with 105, Tiagra, or Sora. Over time, as new riders become seasoned riders and upgrade/buy new bikes they mostly stick with Shimano because they are known quantities. For the LBS, it makes sense to focus on Shimano, most of the OEM spec is Shimano. I find most shops that are hardcore Campy shops are usually owned by guys who choose to ride Campy.

SRAM is still a relatively new player in the road scene, but if anything their presence is going to actually hurt Campy at the LBS/OEM level in North America. SRAM will suck more of that 10% over time and might even start to erode some of Shimano's 90%.

Finally, Campy USA's new MAP pricing policy is really hurting those who are trying to sell Campy components in the USA. Anyone who is at all savvy is ordering from overseas and saving big $$ on Campagnolo. But at the same time, there are potential customers who might want Campy SR but do not want to order it from the UK or Europe. A customer might want the LBS to order it and install it to stay loyal to the shop, but when the customer realizes he can get SRAM Red for almost ~$1K cheaper, or Dura-Ace 7900 for ~$300 cheaper he chooses something other than Campy.
 

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The biggest reason why Shimano dominates is that Campy does not have much in OEM spec in North America.
Also, most shops sell a lot of mountain bikes, and they are all either Shimano or SRAM. Shops are much more used to Shimano. An amazing number are completely clueless about Campy, and are not interested in learning.
 

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As a mechanic in a shop, I would love to work more on some Campy stuff. Just because its different than Sram/Shimano.

The only downside I see, from the shop side of things, is the high cost of tools that is not compatible with anything out there.
 

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Useta be, Campy was MUCH harder to find than Shimano stuff. Now that we've got the innerweb, its a few mouse clicks away. Old habits and prejudices die hard tho. DAMHIK

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Why isn't Campy popular despite most RBR members undying love of the brand? Many reasons.

Campy has little interest in the OEM market. Most people buy bikes as complete bikes and not kits.
Campys lower end parts do not compare to the lower end Shimano giving OEM suppliers no incentive to spec them. Campy's unwillingness to compete in the OEM market limits the availability of their high end groups on complete bikes.
Campy's North American offices seem to be constantly understaffed and overworked and often has terrible service for dealers. For retailers dealing with Campy direct can be a nightmare. This has turned many a retailer off from Campy.
Campy often has running production runs in their product making service even more difficult. Though they aren't as bad with this as they were a years ago. All the special tools required don't help.
Lot's of Shimano road stuff is also compatible with the mountain stuff. Long cage rear derailleurs, cables, cassettes ect. Most shops sell mountain bikes too. Shops don't want to carry more product then they have too/
Campy's product from the late eighties to mid to late nineties was terrible. Many retailers
still remember Campy's atrocious quality . Sometimes it takes a while to forget.
Campy's extreme overpricing and low margins doesn't make it attractive for US retailers to stock.

If Campy lowered it's prices, invested in the North American market and gave OEM's good prices on its parts kits it could be a great brand. Even something as simple as making it's cassettes compatible with the dominant Shimano spline pattern would go a long way for the brand to gain market share.
 

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I have worked at many different shops all over the country. it is not a matter of "preferring" Shimano to Campy. The bikes on the Floor are OEM spec. Heck you can't even chose Campy as a Project One option through Trek.

Granted, some are afraid of what they do not know. Campy is the boutique of bicycle components. Like Phil Wood. Amazing products, work great, they wear in, not wear out like shimano.. Personally I prefer SRAM, and Campy over Shimano.

But as pointed out above, when a chain tool costs over $200, why does a shop want to "test the waters" and invest in a whole nother set of tools. I have a full set of campy tools, but they just collect dust. Maybe twice a year I get to use them if I am lucky. Some would say it shows Campy doesn't need work, but in reality there are not that many bikes with Campy. My personal investment in Campy tools has yet to pay for them self in 8 years of owning them, where every other Park Tool, or other brand for that matter gets used so much they pay for them-self tenfold in the first year.
 

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I'm a Campy guy but I've used Shimano for a few years as well. Most of what I think has been previousy addressed in this thread. As far as the bikes you have pictured, technically the Veloce-equipped bike is spec'd lower than the Ultegra-equipped bike (but not by much). That being said, I'd still go w/ the Veloce bike (hope I'm not being too biased) for the following reasons:

*Campy generally has a reputation for being "servicable" while Shimano tends to be "replacable". What that means that in theory if a specific piece needs repalcement, w/ Campy it's possible, w/ Shimano you'll be relacing the entire component. That can be expensive w/ components like shifters & rear derailleurs. Just make sure your LBS is familiar w/ Campy.
*Campy in my opinion/experience is not as "finicky" as Shimano. i.e. Shimano has to be set close to perfection to work properly (hence the need for barrel-adjusters). If you knock something out of whack, Campy can still work for you w/in an acceptable range.
*Campy has BY FAR the BEST ergonomics I've ever used on their new shifters.

As far as cost. If you do decide to upgrade, ordering Campy from Europe can in many cases is actually less than getting Shimano in the US (PBK is my current addiction).
 
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