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Agreed, not enough information. Most vitally, who is the "they" who are doing the offering?
If this is an insurance claim without a replacement-value clause, then a $3000 bike to replace a destroyed/stolen/whatever $6000 bike that was a couple-three years old might well be fair. Hard to swallow, maybe, but possibly very fair under the terms of the policy.
That's just to make one example. We need to know more.
If this is an insurance claim without a replacement-value clause, then a $3000 bike to replace a destroyed/stolen/whatever $6000 bike that was a couple-three years old might well be fair. Hard to swallow, maybe, but possibly very fair under the terms of the policy.
That's just to make one example. We need to know more.
they = trek, this a straight warranty - the seat stay cracked on the lemond right above the drop out 
It is a 2008 model lemond victoire (carbon/dura ace).
They are offering the 4.7 madone frame in exchange.
oh - and the figures were in AUD - sorry, I am down under.
I accept part of the difference in RRP / MRSP is components as my lemond was spec'd out - but definitely not all. I did a comparison in the 5 series range - where you can assume the frame cost is held static across the bikes. From what I can see there is around $1050 USD in the wheel upgrade and components between the bottom of the 5 series and the top. So based on Trek's argument to me I am missing around $700 USD in value with the current trade.
I would have expected atleast a 5.1 to be of equal value. The forks on the lemond were the race x lite. 4 series only has race lite. Seems to be further evidence that it doesnt add up.
I have sent my example and concerns to trek based on their USD pricing on the Trek website, and asked that they provide a similar worked example with Australian pricing documented in writing back so I can be satifised. Will be interesting to see if they can.
Thanks for your input.
It is a 2008 model lemond victoire (carbon/dura ace).
They are offering the 4.7 madone frame in exchange.
oh - and the figures were in AUD - sorry, I am down under.
I accept part of the difference in RRP / MRSP is components as my lemond was spec'd out - but definitely not all. I did a comparison in the 5 series range - where you can assume the frame cost is held static across the bikes. From what I can see there is around $1050 USD in the wheel upgrade and components between the bottom of the 5 series and the top. So based on Trek's argument to me I am missing around $700 USD in value with the current trade.
I would have expected atleast a 5.1 to be of equal value. The forks on the lemond were the race x lite. 4 series only has race lite. Seems to be further evidence that it doesnt add up.
I have sent my example and concerns to trek based on their USD pricing on the Trek website, and asked that they provide a similar worked example with Australian pricing documented in writing back so I can be satifised. Will be interesting to see if they can.
Thanks for your input.
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Man, that's sad. I've got the same bike and would be crushed if the frame cracked anywhere.rach said:they = trek, this a straight warranty - the seat stay cracked on the lemond right above the drop out
At least you have a warranty. If mine cracks I'm screwed since I picked it up second hand.
Good luck with your appeal. Let us know how it turns out.
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Close call. Depends on how you like the frame, really. Have you had an opportunity to ride a 4.7?
The Lemond was a good frame, so is the 4.7. I honestly feel the 4.7 TCT carbon frame has slightly better and newer technology that is present in the 5 and 6 series designs from 2008/2009. Even though the Madone fork is a RL, it has the E2 steerer, something the Lemond lacks. Plus it has the integrated Duotrap thing for wireless computers which is pretty cool. I would take the RL E2 fork over the older style RXL fork any day. It is stiffer and stronger, and it might even be lighter. (While the 4.7 doesn't have the integrated seat mast and the integrated BB shell, neither does the Victoire.) To me the Victoire was an older design in its last year(s) while the 4.7 was a new design and benefited from new tech. Lastly, you are getting a brand spanking new carbon frame and fork, that is fairly high end (presently), in exchange for a 3 year old frame and fork that was fairly high end (3 years ago).
If you feel shorted, ask them to throw in a new duotrap compatible computer and sensor.
You will be able to swap over your components and kit to the Madone, so that is not an issue.
All in all, I don't think you are getting shorted, but if you feel you are, then I would press for something better, and see what happens.
HTH a little
zac
The Lemond was a good frame, so is the 4.7. I honestly feel the 4.7 TCT carbon frame has slightly better and newer technology that is present in the 5 and 6 series designs from 2008/2009. Even though the Madone fork is a RL, it has the E2 steerer, something the Lemond lacks. Plus it has the integrated Duotrap thing for wireless computers which is pretty cool. I would take the RL E2 fork over the older style RXL fork any day. It is stiffer and stronger, and it might even be lighter. (While the 4.7 doesn't have the integrated seat mast and the integrated BB shell, neither does the Victoire.) To me the Victoire was an older design in its last year(s) while the 4.7 was a new design and benefited from new tech. Lastly, you are getting a brand spanking new carbon frame and fork, that is fairly high end (presently), in exchange for a 3 year old frame and fork that was fairly high end (3 years ago).
If you feel shorted, ask them to throw in a new duotrap compatible computer and sensor.
You will be able to swap over your components and kit to the Madone, so that is not an issue.
All in all, I don't think you are getting shorted, but if you feel you are, then I would press for something better, and see what happens.
HTH a little
zac
I wold not feel robbed, the Madone 4.7 is easily an equivalent frame to the Lemond, don't let the spec differences of the boxed bikes concern you. I have ridden both, the Lemond is a little smoother riding but also a bit flexy, the Madone 4 series bike is very solid.
I've never noticed - I'd guess it's not flexy if you are 58kg
the true tragedy here is that my lemond broke - perfect bike for long days in the saddle.
time to start getting over it and accept instead of my Lemon D (it was yellow) I now have something that is probably going to get called (perhaps unfairly) the Blue Horror.
the true tragedy here is that my lemond broke - perfect bike for long days in the saddle.
time to start getting over it and accept instead of my Lemon D (it was yellow) I now have something that is probably going to get called (perhaps unfairly) the Blue Horror.
really? how do you define equal value then?Argentius said:
I think at least the law in australia is that 'equal or higher value' needs to be based on dollars. Otherwise sheesh, we'd all be getting ripped off by snakeoil salesmen who overstate the 'value' of their product.
As for the Zurich question - don't break it!!
If a Victoire is worth a 4.7 .... well, one would think for a zurich you'd have to look lower...
rach
From what I found on the web your bike's MSRP was $5279.99us and a new Madone 4.7 has an MSRP of $2519.99us for a delta of $2760us. Based on what I could find for component costs, the delta is about $2300-2400us. That leaves around $360-$460us on the table.
From what I found on the web your bike's MSRP was $5279.99us and a new Madone 4.7 has an MSRP of $2519.99us for a delta of $2760us. Based on what I could find for component costs, the delta is about $2300-2400us. That leaves around $360-$460us on the table.
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