Which is better? What would you set?
Microshift Arsis vs Shimano Ultegra
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And you concluded this after a 60 mile ride?
I beg to differ; it was most likely a badly tuned setup. From my experience with microshift, the two best qualities of it are reliable and quick shifting, both front and back; even when used by a complete newbie as I was at the time. Otherwise I find the shifter somewhat clunky, the mechanism very loud and hoods kind of ugly looking. But definitely reliable and quick once tuned.
It also keeps tuned for many months of continuous use. I still have my MS equipped bike, it's currently on the Cyclops fluid trainer and still shifts crisp and quick.
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Good enough on the trainer. It's probably safer on the trainer than on the road. You made a good decision!
Really....statements like this just really blow my mind. Now Microshift is not safe? Open your mind a bit man!
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Dollars=Safety...it's a direct correlation.
how many miles does one need to ride to determine that ergos are a problem with any component. 100, 200, 1000? i had a selle italia saddle that would make my jewels go numb after 20 miles, switched to a specialized romin--voila no more numbnuts. same for bars: 44cm for me is too wide--i noticed this after 10 miles.
as for the lengthy pull action on the front crank, i will acknowledge that this is more subjective, although the one review i found on these basically said the same thing.
"Shifting to the big chainring requires quite a long sweep but it’s not a problem."
Review: Microshift Arsis Carbon 10spd groupset | road.cc | Road cycling news, Bike reviews, Commuting, Leisure riding, Sportives and more
as for the lengthy pull action on the front crank, i will acknowledge that this is more subjective, although the one review i found on these basically said the same thing.
"Shifting to the big chainring requires quite a long sweep but it’s not a problem."
Review: Microshift Arsis Carbon 10spd groupset | road.cc | Road cycling news, Bike reviews, Commuting, Leisure riding, Sportives and more
dollars =safety I don't know where you get this. dollar=weight and perhaps faster shifting The only place I have noticed shifting improvement with a more expensive group is dua ace vs 105. Have not noticed in the campy or the Sram line with the groups I have on my bikes
I can agree that the front derailleur throw is a tiny bit longer, but I have smaller hands (for a guy my size, 6'2") and the tiny bit more throw was never a problem for me. Up shifting from the drops also took getting used to after using Shimano for a long time, but it really is no more difficult to accomplish in my mind once you get used to the lever location. Certainly it is no more challenging than up shifting with Campy controls from the drops. Both would be a huge change from Shimano.
Hood comfort was the same for me going from 7700 Dura Ace to Microshift 10 speed and now going to 6700 I think the hoods are very similar though the Microshift hoods seem to have a higher durometer i.e.feel harder than the 6700 hoods. Shape is very similar IMO.
Herbie, I am fairly confident he was being sarcastic.
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100%.
I believe completely than many will never give this line a chance due to that thinking though. I do plan on checking the Arsis out for a budget rebuild of my old Trek aluminum frame.
I still love the "just buy Di2/$3000 bike comment".
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This thread has inspired me to build a microshift rain bike.
i have small hands and probably can't use the campy either. i did like the downshift mech however, it was pretty quick.
i would think these would be better in a flat area (like where i'm at now). there's definitely a unique value proposition with the carbon vis a vis tiagra.
i would think these would be better in a flat area (like where i'm at now). there's definitely a unique value proposition with the carbon vis a vis tiagra.
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I wasn't referring to the ergonomics, rather the comment about shifting quality and changing between chainrings.
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Any more updates with your set ups? I'm looking at microshift as a low cost alternative to the 'Big 3'. I've seen some reviews, but real life experience trumps all.
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Anyone interested in MicroShift should read this thread: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/components-wrenching/microshift-my-experience-244338.html
My first posts to this forum were toward the end of that thread. It's funny that a troll was giving me crap so they banned him, deleted his posts and locked the thread.
I received my Arsis set about a month ago but because of back problems have only ridden the bike on the trainer to check my installation. They work great and feel better and shift quicker than the 2303 that was on the bike.
But I've never used Ultegra or DA or Campy so can't compare to those.
I really like the double shift levers and fixed brake lever. Work great with my small hands.
Their catalog says that the throw had been shortened by 30% on the latest model.
I bought the Arsis set (top line) with derailleurs for $260. Comes with Jagwire teflon cables too. The fit, finish and function couldn't be better.
They make lighter deraills with carbon-wrapped alloy cages but I didn't care to spend the additional $60 to save an ounce.
I'm just glad that there is less-expensive competition for the big 3. Have you ever looked at a DA or SR lever and wondered how it was worth $300+? I do understand R&D costs but these items are priced at what the market will bear, not actually reflecting what it costs to make them.
My first posts to this forum were toward the end of that thread. It's funny that a troll was giving me crap so they banned him, deleted his posts and locked the thread.
I received my Arsis set about a month ago but because of back problems have only ridden the bike on the trainer to check my installation. They work great and feel better and shift quicker than the 2303 that was on the bike.
But I've never used Ultegra or DA or Campy so can't compare to those.
I really like the double shift levers and fixed brake lever. Work great with my small hands.
Their catalog says that the throw had been shortened by 30% on the latest model.
I bought the Arsis set (top line) with derailleurs for $260. Comes with Jagwire teflon cables too. The fit, finish and function couldn't be better.
They make lighter deraills with carbon-wrapped alloy cages but I didn't care to spend the additional $60 to save an ounce.
I'm just glad that there is less-expensive competition for the big 3. Have you ever looked at a DA or SR lever and wondered how it was worth $300+? I do understand R&D costs but these items are priced at what the market will bear, not actually reflecting what it costs to make them.
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I'm with you there. I get that the guys that race and such need precision gear, and more power to them. I don't race and don't plan to, so why would I need to blow $300+ for 1 brifter? Even while looking at Tiagra and 105 gear, it all struck me as a bit much for my needs. I just need gear that works, works consistently, as little wrenching as possible (I can do my own wrenching, but who wants to do any?), and maybe looks decent. I've been researching Microshift the last couple weeks now and the main detractors seem to be that they are a little noisy, and some of the internal parts are plastic. The vast majority of reviews all say that it does work though and that's what matters to me.
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I just found their brand new catalog: http://www.microshift.com.tw/pdf/microSHIFT 2013-2014.pdf
They now have 11-speed bar-end shifters and have renamed some of the lines.
I bought direct from the US distributor: Best Derailleur - Online Bike Store for Microshift Groupset Cycling Components The owner, Patrick Chen, is in California and the parts came direct from Taiwan within 7 days of my order.
He has a store on fleabay but the prices were higher than on his website when I checked.
I see the prices have gone up a bit to $290 for the Arsis group but shipping is now free. And the same group on amazon is $399, wow.
They now have 11-speed bar-end shifters and have renamed some of the lines.
I bought direct from the US distributor: Best Derailleur - Online Bike Store for Microshift Groupset Cycling Components The owner, Patrick Chen, is in California and the parts came direct from Taiwan within 7 days of my order.
He has a store on fleabay but the prices were higher than on his website when I checked.
I see the prices have gone up a bit to $290 for the Arsis group but shipping is now free. And the same group on amazon is $399, wow.
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These prices seem high, to be honest. For around $300 you are getting a pair of brifters, front/rear derailleurs and a set of shift cables.
For $523CAD, I can order an entire Shimano 105 5700 groupset from Ribble that contains brifters, front/rear derailleurs, shift and brake cables, bottom bracket, crankset, chain, cassette and a pair of brake callipers.
For $523CAD, I can order an entire Shimano 105 5700 groupset from Ribble that contains brifters, front/rear derailleurs, shift and brake cables, bottom bracket, crankset, chain, cassette and a pair of brake callipers.
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