@cxwrench has advised me to repost this question here: I need to replace the worn-out wheelset that came with my 2013 Giant Defy Advanced. Trying not to spend more than $300, and I have a personal dislike of noisy hubs. I've seen a bunch of good notices about the Shimano 6800, which is now discontinued; current version seems to be the Shimano RS500, but at 195 pounds I don't know if the 16/20 spoke count is a good idea. Then there's the Vision Trimax 30, Vision Team 30 and Vision Team Comp 30 -- the latter has cup-and-cone hubs like Shimano, which would presumably be quiet. Any feedback? Thanks in advance!
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Since I only ride this bike some of the time (I have multiple others), it's gonna take a long time to put 10K on it. Among all wheelsets we've been discussing, I'm not sure what the durable alternative would be. Performance sells a "Wheelhouse" set with Ultegra hubs and 36-hole Mavic Open Pro rims, but some people in this forum have been badmouthing the Mavic OP (as obsolete, it seems).
Open Pro rims are not durable. I cracked one in 6000 miles, and had eyelet breakage and creaking at the joint on others. They recently came out with a new Open Pro, so I don't know about those.
Some people are just harder on wheels, as demonstrated by their past problems. This tends to go up as weight goes up, but not always.
Usually, "durable" means, above all, properly built. This means proper tension, and equal tension on all spokes. Both are very important.
After that, usually more material in the rim, deeper rim, and more spokes makes a wheel more durable.
Also a consideration is repairs. If you break a spoke, is a replacement easy (same day, cheap), or a major headache (custom order, weeks delay, expensive).
If a wheel uses common spokes, it's easy, proprietary spokes, headache. BTW, Shimano wheelsets use proprietary spokes.
If you can afford the bike downtime, buy whatever strikes your fancy. If it was a daily commuter, or you put 5-8K /yr on the wheels and wanted 3-5+ years from them, you would need to be more careful, likely spend more $ in the 2nd case.
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Mentioning Mavic Open Pro and durable in the same sentence doesn't usually happen. Mavic OPs are known for spoke hole cracking. Durable alternative - NOT.
Stick with these three choices:
Shimano Ultegra RS500 (220lb. weight limit)
BWW Pure Aero (220lb. weight limit)
Hand built DT460s laced to Shimano 105 5800s:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...8&category=245
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...7&category=245
You won't go wrong with any of these.
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Unless you meticulously build your own wheels, this will not happen. I don't think I have one single wheelset I didn't build myself that had equal spoke tensions. That's certainly not happening with machine built wheels.
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Interesting the detail they have on building. Though I didn't find any info on what brand of rims and hubs they use.
+1 on Neugent wheels. I got a set last year for around 400$ shipped. They weigh just over 1400 grams and are holding up great. He has some lower priced wheels as well.
Hand built in California. And its nice to know if I ever need them rebuilt, I can just mail them back to John for a rebuild.
John also helped me pick out the correct wheels for my weight, and intended use. Great customer service.
Hand built in California. And its nice to know if I ever need them rebuilt, I can just mail them back to John for a rebuild.
John also helped me pick out the correct wheels for my weight, and intended use. Great customer service.
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John Neugent is the real deal. If you have any questions about the wheels, he usually answers via email within 24 hours. I asked a bunch of questions before I bought my wheels from him.
Looking at a set of his 50mm deep carbon tubular wheels for my next set.
Looking at a set of his 50mm deep carbon tubular wheels for my next set.
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What am I doing wrong? I have 4 wheels (3 rear, 1 front) built with Open Pros and they've been superb. The lowest mileage one has about 10,000 mi and the highest 25k miles - the brake track is starting to ovalize so is due a replacement. Have yet to see a cracked Open Pro rim built in the last 12 years. Built with Ultegra hubs they need a little truing care once or twice a year. Spent a couple of minutes checking the trueness and dish of my oldest set yesterday and went out for a brisk 50 miles. Felt better than ever.
That said, I now usually build with wider Kinlin Rims. Great value for money.
Riding a rear wheel with only 20 spokes is asking for trouble. Make sure you have a source for replacement spokes identified.
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What can I say? You must either be very light or your Open Pros have a 36 spoke count. Thought I have to say, unless you ride 5000 or more miles per year, I think having to true wheels every year sounds like they were built poorly.
Open Pros can't take a lot of spoke tension. You shouldn't exceed 100 kgf unless you want the rims to crack much sooner. 100 kgf on the drive side means much lower tension on the nondrive side and the nipples unscrew. A low strength Loctite (222) on the NDS spoke threads works for that.
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5.5k miles per year for last 10 years. 75 kg. Ride lots of crappy roads and bunny hop potholes. 20-30 races per year. Build all my own wheels. 32 spokes on OPs . The 25k mile one has 28 spokes. They're light rims so careful not to overtension. Only monor but regular truing needed. I have several 24 spoke wheels on stronger rims and they need similar attention. I also really like the brake tracks on the OPs.
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Open Pros have a max 90kgF rating while most other rims are specced at 120kgF. On an 11-speed freehub, 90-100kgF on the DS will give you quite a low NDS tension.
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Neugent Cycling is a good place too. Most know John Neugent's former brand Neuvation. Customer service was second to none. He continues that same support with his company Neugent cycling. Handbuilt wheels with quiet hubs. Check these out:
Specifications
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I'm a clyde with a history of nipple holes cracking on rear rims , until I built a set of wheels with the H Plus Son Archetype's rims, If you havn't bought a set yet look at some of these below, I can't vouche for some of the hubs but research them, The Shimano hubs are solid.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...0.l1311.R3.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.XH+Plus.TRS0&_nkw=h+plus+son+archetype&_sacat=177830
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...0.l1311.R3.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.XH+Plus.TRS0&_nkw=h+plus+son+archetype&_sacat=177830
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I just bought a new set of wheels this last week. I was considering Neugent, November, and Psimet.
I weigh 220, and wanted a strong yet lightweight 24/28 set. They all offered want I wanted at reasonable prices (my budget was a bit more than what the OP wants to spend.... $500-600).
I went with Psimet. For $479, I got a nice 1465 gram set for my weight.
I weigh 220, and wanted a strong yet lightweight 24/28 set. They all offered want I wanted at reasonable prices (my budget was a bit more than what the OP wants to spend.... $500-600).
I went with Psimet. For $479, I got a nice 1465 gram set for my weight.
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