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Meat, especially red meat, isn't to be blamed for heart disease.

5 Studies on Saturated Fat — Time to Retire the Myth?:

Debunking Myths about Fat

Saturated fat does not clog the arteries: coronary heart disease is a chronic inflammatory condition

You can relax about red meat and have some, it's an excellent source of protein and other essential nutrients.

For decades, people all over the world bought into a notion that eating meat, especially red meat, causes heart disease because of saturated fat in it. It was Doctor Ancel Keys who conducted Seven Countries Study that got published in 1978 which fueled the spread of this notion worldwide. Those 7 countries (including Wales) were cherry picked out of 22 countries surveyed. That cherry picking was done because those 7 countries fit his hypotheses (eating saturated fat causes heart disease) and he ignored the ones that didn't, i.e. France and Scandinavian countries which eat saturated fat regularly.

This isn't the first time Ancel Keys was mentioned on this forum. https://www.roadbikereview.com/thre...com/threads/cyclists-and-big-bellies.321821/page-6?post_id=4600594#post-4600594

Ancel Keys received a lot of fame and fortune for that study. However, it caused a lot of damage to people's health world wide when the brain washed / scared people tried to replace saturated fat with something else, i.e. vegetable oil, low fat diet, carb. In the USA, the government released the food guide in 1992, a.k.a. Food Pyramid which recommended mainly grain (carbs), then vegetable and fruits (carbs), then less dairy and meat, then even less fats, oil and sweets. Since then, Americans got fatter and sicker.

7 countries graph:
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Ancel Keys:

There were people alerting the faults of that study back then but it wasn't widespread. More people are speaking up about it now but it still has ways to go.
 
I’m pretty sure red meat causes cancer nowadays. Maybe that’s just in CA? I don’t have any sources but it’s probably true until the next thing comes along.
 
I’m pretty sure red meat causes cancer nowadays. Maybe that’s just in CA? I don’t have any sources but it’s probably true until the next thing comes along.
Like anything else, too much isn't good for you.

I never advocated eliminating red meat, but it should not be a staple in your diet.

If @bvber actually read all of what was written, they mention health benefits of the Mediterranian diet which lets you eat plenty of fats from nuts and fatty fish, moderate consumption of dairy and minimal refined carbs. Not all carbs are bad. Whole grains are good.

Nowhere in any of these articles do they advocate a carnivore diet which @bvber has been advocating ad nauseam. The trouble with a carnivore diet is it eliminates healthy inflamation reducing foods like fruits, vegetables and whole grains.
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
I never advocated eliminating red meat, but it should not be a staple in your diet.

If @bvber actually read all of what was written, they mention health benefits of the Mediterranian diet which lets you eat plenty of fats from nuts and fatty fish, moderate consumption of dairy and minimal refined carbs. Not all carbs are bad. Whole grains are good.
On the thread where the video above was initially linked, you posted,
"Good fat - Monounsaturated fats like olive oil, canola oil, fish oil, poultry fat in small amounts.
Bad fat - Saturated fats like those in red meat, whole milk, butter and tropical plants.

Good protein - In low glycemic grains and nuts or legumes, fish, poultry, non-fat milk and eggs - yes eggs! Eggs do NOT give you high cholesterol.
Bad protein - Red meat, whole milk - only bad because of the saturated fat.
"

Do you still stand by that when it comes to saturated fat?
Nowhere in any of these articles do they advocate a carnivore diet which @bvber has been advocating ad nauseam. The trouble with a carnivore diet is it eliminates healthy inflamation reducing foods like fruits, vegetables and whole grains.
Red meat consumption works well in reducing inflammation, i.e. Randle Cycle, and there is a separate thread on carnivore diet so debate it there.
 
If you can cherry pick, so can I.

In this same thread, you linked an article shilling coconut oil. The red flags were there and they were:

1) A free book offer. They want personal info to get you on a spam list. After that, they will either pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others. I hope you enjoy SPAM.

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.

3) Exclamation points in the headlines!

They are obviously a shill for coconut oil.

You can take off your tinfoil hat now.
 
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If you can cherry pick, so can I.

In this same thread, you linked an article shilling coconut oil. The red flags were there and they were:

1) A free book offer. They want personal info to get you on a spam list. After that, they will either pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others. I hope you enjoy SPAM.

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.

3) Exclamation points in the headlines!

They are obviously a shill for coconut oil.

You can take off your tinfoil hat now.
So no answer to standing by that statement or not question? Noted.

You stated on that same thread, "So let's put on our thinking caps. Put a jar of canola oil and a jar of coconut oil out at room temperature. Notice that the coconut oil is the one that will turn solid. So, given that observation, which one is more likely to deposit plaque inside your arteries?" Do you still stand by that when it comes to coconut oil?
 
As usual, you dodged the issue. Do you still stand by the article you linked? The red flags were there and they were:

1) A free book offer. They want personal info to get you on a spam list. After that, they will either pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others. I hope you enjoy SPAM.

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.

3) Exclamation points in the headlines!

They are obviously a shill for coconut oil.
 
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As usual, you dodged the issue. Do you still stand by the article you linked? The red flags were there and they were:

1) A free book offer. They want personal info to get you on a spam list. After that, they will either pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others. I hope you enjoy SPAM.

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.

3) Exclamation points in the headlines!

They are obviously a shill for coconut oil.
Coconut oil being solid at room temperature isn't a viable example of artery clogging affect and you know why, don't you? If not, put a teaspoonful of it in your palm and see what happens when it reaches human body temperature.
 
Coconut oil being solid at room temperature isn't a viable example of artery clogging affect and you know why, don't you? If not, put a teaspoonful of it in your palm and see what happens when it reaches human body temperature.
You're still dodging the issue. The article you linked is of questionable credibility. The red flags were there and they still are:

1) A free book offer. They want personal info to get you on a spam list. After that, they will either pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others. I hope you enjoy SPAM.

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.

3) Exclamation points in the headlines!

They are obviously a shill for coconut oil.
 
Discussion starter · #17 · (Edited)
You're still dodging the issue. The article you linked is of questionable credibility. The red flags were there and they still are:

1) A free book offer. They want personal info to get you on a spam list. After that, they will either pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others. I hope you enjoy SPAM.

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.

3) Exclamation points in the headlines!

They are obviously a shill for coconut oil.
If you've read the article I linked, which point do you consider misinformation? Is it the part mentioning "as with any non-profit organization, the AHA needs money. The best place to get money is from corporate sponsors, which for them include Subway, Cheerios, and Bayer." or is it "The AHA highly endorses the “DASH” (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension) diet, which is a low salt diet that recommends you eat margarine."?

The 1992 pyramid introduced by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) did great damage to American health last 30 years as I already pointed out earlier.

Luise Light influence on food pyramid:

"food pyramid was not redesigned in the interest of health, but on behalf of those in the processed foods industry."

"With $15 billion dollars in farm subsidies at stake annually, it's no small wonder why insiders at the USDA twisted her Food Pyramid and flipped it upside down before unveiling it to the public and passing it off as healthy nutrition despite her contentions.":

2) Bashing a well known reliable source - The American Heart Association. This feeds on the many conspiracy theorists out there who distrust mainstream advice so much, they are blind to the idea that fringe advice may be leading them even more wrong.
Conspiracy theory or red flag?
"“Presidential Advisory” on dietary fats released from the American Heart Association (AHA) published online in Circulation."

AHA supported by Subway:

AHA supported by Cheerios (General Mills):

That didn't raise your red flag for some reason? I wonder why...

As for coconut oil not clogging your artery, it's solid at room temperature alright. Once you eat it, your body temperature will turn it into liquid form so no, it won't clog your artery. Even if it remains solid form at body temperature (it doesn't but for the sake of this explanation, if it does), it will pass through the gut and exit out the other end just like fibers people eat, so no, it won't clog your artery. There, I corrected your belief on coconut oil without a free book offer, wanting personal info to get you on a spam list or pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others.
 
If you've read the article I linked, which point do you consider misinformation? Is it the part mentioning "as with any non-profit organization, the AHA needs money. The best place to get money is from corporate sponsors, which for them include Subway, Cheerios, and Bayer." or is it "The AHA highly endorses the “DASH” (Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension) diet, which is a low salt diet that recommends you eat margarine."?

The 1992 pyramid introduced by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) did great damage to American health last 30 years as I already pointed out earlier.

Luise Light influence on food pyramid:

"food pyramid was not redesigned in the interest of health, but on behalf of those in the processed foods industry."

"With $15 billion dollars in farm subsidies at stake annually, it's no small wonder why insiders at the USDA twisted her Food Pyramid and flipped it upside down before unveiling it to the public and passing it off as healthy nutrition despite her contentions.":


Conspiracy theory or red flag?
"“Presidential Advisory” on dietary fats released from the American Heart Association (AHA) published online in Circulation."

AHA supported by Subway:

AHA supported by Cheerios (General Mills):

That didn't raise your red flag for some reason? I wonder why...

As for coconut oil not clogging your artery, it's solid at room temperature alright. Once you eat it, your body temperature will turn it into liquid form so no, it won't clog your artery. Even if it remains solid form at body temperature (it doesn't but for the sake of this explanation, if it does), it will pass through the gut and exist out the other end just like fibers people eat, so no, it won't clog your artery. There, I corrected your belief on coconut oil without a free book offer, wanting personal info to get you on a spam list or pummel your email asking for you to buy something or will sell your info to others.
I see you have been working hard to find every conspiratorial article you could. Google is fun, isn't it?
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
I see you have been working hard to find every conspiratorial article you could. Google is fun, isn't it?
My explanation to you on coconut oil is from my own experience with using coconut oil for cooking and reading printed articles. I hope you are better informed on saturated fat called coconut oil now.

Next is on red meat.
 
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