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Hi guys, I'm relatively new to road biking, but I lost my commuter to thieves and needed a new cheap bike. So I hit a sale on Campus that sold old bikes and I found this Peugeot Record Du Monde 'Sport'. It's in pretty decent condition I'd say, there's spots of rusting on the black frame and chrome bars, the Peugeot brakes will work with some tuning, and the crankshaft looks intact. The deraillers are simplex and the brake levers are Weinmann's. They are downtube shifters and seems to be in decent shape despite its sorry state. I've looked this bike up and I'm pretty sure its not a PX10 and therefore not worth any serious investment but I do need to a commuter still and i'm hoping to fix it up to the task.

I have several questions, pictures to help are attached below

1: I bought it without a seatpost, I heard that the french are funny with their seatposts, where could I get one of these cheaply or is it standard sized?

2. Does anyone know what model or year this bike is? is it worth more than 10$?

3. I plan to strip down the frame to clean it and maybe shine up the rusty parts. How do I treat the rusty spots?

4. Is there anythign I need to know about the tires and tubing? they are 27 something, would a 700x27cc tube be ample?

I appreciate any help or suggestions, I'm quite excited about restoring this bike, even though it may not be worth much or the time. This will be my first restoration project and I'd love the help with it.

pic link https://www.boomspeed.com/turin/IMG_4083.jpg
high res
 
#2 ·
Several answers.
1. Take it to the bike shop and have them check the sseatpost size. If they don't have one in stock they should be able to order one, even if it is a funny size.

2. Don't know the model or year, but by the looks and componentry I would guess it is from the late '70s, and probably sold for ~$200. It would be worth more than $10 today with a seat and post!

3. Steel wool works wonders on bikes from that era.

4. 27 x 1 1/4 tires came stock. You can fit 1 1/8. Tubes stretch a lot, so 700 x 27 should work. 700c wheels will fit with a minor brake adjustment. My first "good" bike was a $200 Rampar from the same era, which became a real rocket when I put on a used set of Sew-ups with Campy hubs!

Good luck!
 
#3 ·
OneGear said:
Hi guys, I'm relatively new to road biking, but I lost my commuter to thieves and needed a new cheap bike. So I hit a sale on Campus that sold old bikes and I found this Peugeot Record Du Monde 'Sport'. It's in pretty decent condition I'd say, there's spots of rusting on the black frame and chrome bars, the Peugeot brakes will work with some tuning, and the crankshaft looks intact. The deraillers are simplex and the brake levers are Weinmann's. They are downtube shifters and seems to be in decent shape despite its sorry state. I've looked this bike up and I'm pretty sure its not a PX10 and therefore not worth any serious investment but I do need to a commuter still and i'm hoping to fix it up to the task.

I have several questions, pictures to help are attached below

1: I bought it without a seatpost, I heard that the french are funny with their seatposts, where could I get one of these cheaply or is it standard sized?

2. Does anyone know what model or year this bike is? is it worth more than 10$?

3. I plan to strip down the frame to clean it and maybe shine up the rusty parts. How do I treat the rusty spots?

4. Is there anythign I need to know about the tires and tubing? they are 27 something, would a 700x27cc tube be ample?

I appreciate any help or suggestions, I'm quite excited about restoring this bike, even though it may not be worth much or the time. This will be my first restoration project and I'd love the help with it.

pic link https://www.boomspeed.com/turin/IMG_4083.jpg
high res
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Fun project, but beware! Restoring Peugeots generally takes a bit more effort than Japanese bikes of the same era. They often have small diameter seat tubes, so they need special front derailleur clamps. Bottom brackets are frequently French-threaded. Rear derailleur hangers are not standard size.

See www.harriscyclery.com for a good selection of French parts.

Answers to questions:

1. Have a bike shop, or a friend with calipers, measure the seat post. Use the metric measurement when looking for a new one.

2. Not a good clue, but from your description of the components, I would guess that it is probably mid-70s through mid-80s construction. Post pics and I will have a much better guess. Are the cranks cottered? Any tubing stickers?

Is it worth anything? Well, you mentioned chromed handlebars, which is a pretty good indicator that the bike is worth roughly squat, which is about the best anti-theft insurance you can get.

3. When you say "strip down" the frame, do you mean strip all the paint? If so, use a wire wheel on the rusty parts to get rid of the rust. I also like Rustoleum primer; it's pretty good insurance against small rust spots getting bigger. A really bad looking rattle-can paint job is another good form of anti-theft insurance.

If you are not going to strip the paint, try some "Naval Jelly" on the rust spots. You can get it at any hardware store, and it does a pretty good job getting rid of rust. Use a wire brush before and after applying the naval jelly.

4. 700C tubes work fine on 27" wheels. Just make sure the diameter matches the tire diameter.

Sounds like a great project. Have fun with it.

Yours,

- FBB
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
bobj said:
Several answers.
1. Take it to the bike shop and have them check the sseatpost size. If they don't have one in stock they should be able to order one, even if it is a funny size.

2. Don't know the model or year, but by the looks and componentry I would guess it is from the late '70s, and probably sold for ~$200. It would be worth more than $10 today with a seat and post!

3. Steel wool works wonders on bikes from that era.

4. 27 x 1 1/4 tires came stock. You can fit 1 1/8. Tubes stretch a lot, so 700 x 27 should work. 700c wheels will fit with a minor brake adjustment. My first "good" bike was a $200 Rampar from the same era, which became a real rocket when I put on a used set of Sew-ups with Campy hubs!

Good luck!
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Thanks Bobj! I'm looking forward to fixing it up.. I'm not a particular fan of French things but something about it came through to me in that dark storageroom. Your advice and opinion is very much appreciated. Luckily the wheels hold air well still, I put in around 60 psi and they are holding. however the tire walls will give up, they've become brittle. I'm not going to change the wheelset so I guess I'll have to buy 27 1/4 tires for them, will that be hard to find?

fbagatelleblack said:
Fun project, but beware! Restoring Peugeots generally takes a bit more effort than Japanese bikes of the same era. They often have small diameter seat tubes, so they need special front derailleur clamps. Bottom brackets are frequently French-threaded. Rear derailleur hangers are not standard size.

See www.harriscyclery.com for a good selection of French parts.

Answers to questions:

1. Have a bike shop, or a friend with calipers, measure the seat post. Use the metric measurement when looking for a new one.

2. Not a good clue, but from your description of the components, I would guess that it is probably mid-70s through mid-80s construction. Post pics and I will have a much better guess. Are the cranks cottered? Any tubing stickers?

Is it worth anything? Well, you mentioned chromed handlebars, which is a pretty good indicator that the bike is worth roughly squat, which is about the best anti-theft insurance you can get.

3. When you say "strip down" the frame, do you mean strip all the paint? If so, use a wire wheel on the rusty parts to get rid of the rust. I also like Rustoleum primer; it's pretty good insurance against small rust spots getting bigger. A really bad looking rattle-can paint job is another good form of anti-theft insurance.

If you are not going to strip the paint, try some "Naval Jelly" on the rust spots. You can get it at any hardware store, and it does a pretty good job getting rid of rust. Use a wire brush before and after applying the naval jelly.

4. 700C tubes work fine on 27" wheels. Just make sure the diameter matches the tire diameter.

Sounds like a great project. Have fun with it.

Yours,

- FBB
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Hi FBB, thanks for your time. I've heard about this distinct seatpost diameter, sounds more like a pain in the ass to me. leave it to the french eh? I will be attempting to keep all the original componentry, since thats what makes the bike cool :) I'm not too sure about the cotter, but there are tube stickers and I have pictures at home I will upload when I get home. the Crankarms/derailleurs are Peugot, and seem to look easily servicable so It should not be a huge concern. However there is a bit of play between the crankarm and the BB on the non-drive train side. I popped open the base of the crankarm (where it is held to the bb) but there is a large nut within that cannot be gripped by a wrench (it's in a tight spot). I'm worried slightly that the crankarm will give out when i'm riding it. I have not tuned downtube shifters before but I'm sure I can find some good guides on them if there is indeed a difference.

No I meant I would attempt to take off the parts and service the frame, maybe add some touchups with brush or spray can. It looks like standard black but could be dark naval blue, so I hope to match it up.. I like the decals on it and the colour is largely intact. I don't think anyone left it in the rain too much. Thanks for the tips on cleaning the frame up. The insides of the seat tube are somewhat rusted, should I do something to it to prevent further rusting or just leave it?

I'm can't wait to get started. Thanks for the replies guys. I'll try to get pictures up sometime tonight.
 
#5 ·
OneGear said:
The insides of the seat tube are somewhat rusted, should I do something to it to prevent further rusting or just leave it?
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Probably not a problem - You've got plenty of material in there. BUT, if you want to be sure, I've heard about some goop, I think it's caleed "Framesaver" or something like that. You can coat the inside of your tubes with it to inhibit rust.

- FBB
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
OneGear said:
However there is a bit of play between the crankarm and the BB on the non-drive train side. I popped open the base of the crankarm (where it is held to the bb) but there is a large nut within that cannot be gripped by a wrench (it's in a tight spot). I'm worried slightly that the crankarm will give out when i'm riding it. .
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FBB what do you think about this?
 
#7 ·
OneGear said:
However there is a bit of play between the crankarm and the BB on the non-drive train side. I popped open the base of the crankarm (where it is held to the bb) but there is a large nut within that cannot be gripped by a wrench (it's in a tight spot). I'm worried slightly that the crankarm will give out when i'm riding it.
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You are right to be worried. If the play is truly between the BB spindle and the crankarm, the crankarm is probably toast. The tapered section of the square hole in the crankarm where it meets the spindle is probably deformed. If this is the case, you will need a new left crankarm.

Can you tighten it up with a socket wrench? If you get it good and tight with a socket wrench, and it comes loose again, then you know it's time for a new crankarm.

- FBB
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
fbagatelleblack said:
You are right to be worried. If the play is truly between the BB spindle and the crankarm, the crankarm is probably toast. The tapered section of the square hole in the crankarm where it meets the spindle is probably deformed. If this is the case, you will need a new left crankarm.

Can you tighten it up with a socket wrench? If you get it good and tight with a socket wrench, and it comes loose again, then you know it's time for a new crankarm.

- FBB
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The label says Peugeot Made in Canada Tubing 103

Yeah, I think it's toast too. Too bad. I woulda liked to keep the set intact.

I've attached some pics here

sorry for the super blur! hehe
 
#9 ·
OneGear said:
The label says Peugeot Made in Canada Tubing 103
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Wow! I've never seen that before! This one might be worth a post on the ClassicRendevous list at bikelist.org, but be prepared for some snobbish comments about how your bike is not worth much if you post there.

From the components in the photos, I'd narrow my age estimate to 1981-1985, but I am no expert on Simplex stuff.

Yours

- FBB
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
Yeah, I think it's something special, to me anyways. I think it's got a bit of history to it, it's also got the LBS's sticker from Downtown toronto. but I think they do not exist in the same form anymore. I think i'll give the bikelist.org a try... there are always bike snobs, hopefully i can make them cough up more info.
 
#11 ·
OneGear said:
Yeah, I think it's something special, to me anyways. I think it's got a bit of history to it, it's also got the LBS's sticker from Downtown toronto. but I think they do not exist in the same form anymore. I think i'll give the bikelist.org a try... there are always bike snobs, hopefully i can make them cough up more info.
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Oh, Canada! That explains why I never saw that tubing before...

- FBB
 
Discussion starter · #12 · (Edited)
yeah. I found a serial number but no model number. Further Peugeot readings lead me to believe that this is a late 80's Peugeot, made after the rights were acquired by CCM of Canada. Which would explain why traditional French convention wasn't really used in the stamping of this bike. I don't think this bike's gonna be a gem but it'll be ridable.
 
#18 ·
Dave_Stohler said:
Hate to tell you this, but what you've got there is a $20 bike, tops. And one with oddball threads as well. Fixing it up will cost more than it's worth.
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Pay no attention to the curmudgeon!!! You've got a groovy bike there, and everyone knows it'll never be worth a fortune, but it's going to be a fun project anyway!

- FBB
 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
Dave_Stohler said:
Hate to tell you this, but what you've got there is a $20 bike, tops. And one with oddball threads as well. Fixing it up will cost more than it's worth.
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Thats alright, I kinda figured that out. There are a lot more things out there that arent' worth the money but still people put time and sweat into them. I don't plan on replacing any parts so it's not going to cause me much change. I just got some new bar tape for it and found an old saddle for it. I don't intend on selling it so money isn't really a big deal here. The joy is just making something mistreated into something beautiful. Thanks for your opinion though.
 
#20 ·
Tighten that cottered crank!

I will be attempting to keep all the original componentry, since thats what makes the bike cool :) I'm not too sure about the cotter, but there are tube stickers and I have pictures at home I will upload when I get home. the Crankarms/derailleurs are Peugot, and seem to look easily servicable so It should not be a huge concern. However there is a bit of play between the crankarm and the BB on the non-drive train side. I popped open the base of the crankarm (where it is held to the bb) but there is a large nut within that cannot be gripped by a wrench (it's in a tight spot). I'm worried slightly that the crankarm will give out when i'm riding it. I have not tuned downtube shifters before but I'm sure I can find some good guides on them if there is indeed a difference.
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The major issue is to tighten that cottered crank. Otherwise you will grind out the crank arm. That is an immediate repair.

Ken
 
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