Okay, now before you guys all hassel me for asking this i am going to say that i do have a little bit of background on this company as they are pretty much based 20 miles from my house and my aunt used to work for them but i am just wondering, What makes Serotta so special that they can validate their extremely high prices? I mean by no mean am i saying that serotta makes a bad bike in fact i know that they make beutiful bikes, but what is it about them that allows them to cost so much more than most other companies?
Why Serotta?
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as do I...as do I....KJohnson said:Hey BJII. I resemble that remarkwith the exception of the rich and disposable parts.
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I'm not sure my wife would like being called a slow old dude either. I'll let you take it up with her next time we do the cruiser ride.Bocephus Jones II said:as do I...as do I....
My wife and I both made the jump from stiff aluminum bikes to custom fit Serottas and couldn't be happier. The credit card bill was a little steep that month, but that was easy to get over once riding the new bikes. We bought the bikes with a plan to ride them for at least the next 15 years. So far we are 6 years into that plan and have put many a happy mile on them. 9 more years before I get to go shopping again. Oh well....
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i know i might be wrong but the way i see it is serotta can make any kind of bike. Alot of Serotta's customers dont get race bikes and they choose serotta so they can have a custom geometry bike and choose serotta to have a bike that fits differently than a colnago, orbea ect. So i guess a lot of the serottas you see are non- race geo. but I bet serotta can make an awsome race bike. I really like serotta even though i never have owned one. they look pretty cool and have a high quality finish. sorry if im wrong and i dont know what im talking about
serotta also has had sierra nevada riding their frames last year. Serotta sponsores many teams this year and many athletes. Serottas have even been used in the tour. Serotta can defenatly make a race bike.
serotta also has had sierra nevada riding their frames last year. Serotta sponsores many teams this year and many athletes. Serottas have even been used in the tour. Serotta can defenatly make a race bike.
Serotta's "lower end" models are high end. With the exception of the Fierte, the difference is in the materials used, not the level of craftsmanship or engineering. The Cour d'Acier is as good as any steel bike in the world, if you have it built as a race bike, although you might see it as Serotta's "lower end" model when you flip through their catalog.elviento said:
My colorado III is my race bike, and I sometimes get funny looks at races, as if I'm racing some piece of expensive jewelry. The reality is that my bike is usually one of the cheaper bikes in the field, surrounded by dura ace 10-clad TCR teams, Madones and six13's with boutique wheels. I bought my CIII because it seemed like a decent deal- $1400 for one of the best steel frames out there from a company with as much racing history as anyone in the business.
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I used to think......
I've never read such unsupportable clap trap on this site.
You really have quite an imagination.
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that you were just opinionated....now I'm sure you are a troll.LiteSpeeder said:Serotta's are nice bikes but they cost as much as the big boys like MOOTS, Colnago, Parlee and Time. Yet, serotta bikes cannot match the build quality, craftsmanship and racing geometry of these manufacturers. Compare a legend ti to a MOOTS Vamoots SL and you will see what I am talking about. The welds and build quality on a lengend ti look as if they were built by autistic workers when compared to the Moots frames. But the real test is in the ride quality. These other builders and others make frames that are fast, light, stiff, durable and yet vertically compliant. In contrast, the serotta frames that I have ridden are relatively heavy and flexy.
Serotta does make some very comfortable and plush bikes. If your riding style is more recreational and touring then serotta may be a good choice. But, if you are more of a crit or racer type then serotta isn't the best choice.
Another thing that bothers me about serotta is that they are really dishonest about the whole custom thing. Custom does have a place in cycling and there are certainly riders out there who can benefit from a custom geometry. But, with serotta you do not have a choice. You pay for custom regardless of whether you want it or not, and that's dishonest IMO. With top frame builders like MOOTS or Colnago and others, you pay an extra fee for custom. So, you have the choice of paying for custom or not. Also remember that custom frames are really just a bunch of tubes welded together. The geometry hasn't been optimized for anything - no wind tunnel testing, no stiffness testing, no aerodynamics design, no history of racing. And selling a custom frame would be nightmare since there aren't many guys out there who are willing to pay for a frame that was built for someone else.
If you are an old guy whose bones ache when bending over on a road bike and who is mostly a recreational rider and who doesn't race then serotta would be a good choice. Otherwise, you would be better off looking elsewhere.
I've never read such unsupportable clap trap on this site.
You really have quite an imagination.
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I think he was referring to the swaging process Serrota specs in their tubes. Both Moots and Serrota use butted tubes, as do most high end bikes, but Serotta uses swaged tubes in their higher end models to add stiffness in specific areas. Swaging is designed by Serotta but done by their tubing supplier to Serotta specs.tigoat said:I am not sure how much time it takes to butt a Serotta tube or to make a Vamoots frame but I think your statement is completely nonsense.
From a bike manufacturing standpoint, quality has a little to do with the amount of time butting a tube, as a butted tube can come out to be good or bad depending on tooling tolerances, material treatment, process, etc. Besides, like a butted Serotta frame, a Vamoots 6/4 frame also uses double butted tubing so I do not know what are you trying to imply here. With that said, I think butting a frame tube is a waste of time and money not to mention the increased risk of the frame being easily dented and buckled. From a performance standpoint, I would rather put my money on a set of strong and lighweight wheels than on a butted tubular frame.
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Saying that Serotta has no history in racing is like saying Ford or Chevy have no history in racing.
Most of Serotta's bikes are not pure race bikes. But their history is in fact particularly race-oriented and the old 7-Eleven team and Coors Light team rode Serottas to a lot of success.
This does not mention all the Serottas which were built to order for many pros and painted to be something else. This rarely happens anymore because bike brands today prevent it by having proprietery shapes which no small builder can duplicate. Think Specialized or Trek.
My Serotta CIII is a terrific bike and I plan on getting another someday. The next one will be built with a more racing-oriented geometry.
Most of Serotta's bikes are not pure race bikes. But their history is in fact particularly race-oriented and the old 7-Eleven team and Coors Light team rode Serottas to a lot of success.
This does not mention all the Serottas which were built to order for many pros and painted to be something else. This rarely happens anymore because bike brands today prevent it by having proprietery shapes which no small builder can duplicate. Think Specialized or Trek.
My Serotta CIII is a terrific bike and I plan on getting another someday. The next one will be built with a more racing-oriented geometry.
I am sitting here at my computer wearing a Serotta t-shirt, funny I wish I could afford a Serotta. I am saving my pennies and then I am going to get the CXII in steel.
Yes, they cost but the FIT and tubes are tops...worth the price for know how.
Yes, they cost but the FIT and tubes are tops...worth the price for know how.
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I am no expert but I do own the bike. It is a quality bike for sure and quality materials. As I recall with pedals my bike weighs in at 21 lbs and so a bit heavy. If you plan to race this may not be your bike. If you want a good ride on a bike that will last a long time AND the stock size choices are a good physical fit then I would say go for it. If you want a custom fit bike then would suggest you look at other options by Serotta or others.
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