Question:
BB30 + wider top tube = increased leg rub?

 

So what SuperSix is Bennati riding last week?? Looks like the 2009 model.

https://img.bettiniphoto.net/image/2_0034003_1_thumb2.jpg

 

HikenBike.....are you saying you type with your mouth?..... Geez that's nasty!

:lol:

 

http://www.velonews.com/article/88398/cannondale-brings-a-prototype-bike-for-liquigas-to-test-at

 

interesting brake calipers ont the front closeup.
The top tube does not look wider than that on the System Six. I always wondered why they went narrower with the Super Six. I still find my System Six corners more stably than my super six....

 

WTF are you squakin' about?

I'm just as happy as you that that twit is pissing his neighbors off in Texas however....................... What does Shrub have to do with where a bike in manufactured?

Further, what if an Asian frame is lighter, stiffer, stronger, better, than a US made frame? I'm not saying the one in question is Asian, I'm just asking, in general.

As an example, take the R3 or R3-SL, lighter, stiffer~ish, and just as durable as a Cannondale Super 6. Is the super "better" because an American "made" it?

Talk about the bike on their design merit and execution of that......... not the flag wavin' buy American BS that floats around Cannondale and Trek. If you do, you'd better pre-face that with this: "this response was typed on an American made computer"

I'm all for talking about the bike.............. and what it may have or not have to offer but country of origin should not be included in the conversation unless it's used on a comparative level. Like "x product is better because it's produced here." But simply saying the bike is bad because it's made in Asian is we-todd-did.

To simplify the answer:



What makes a Cannondale a Cannondale?



Starnut

What makes a Cannondale a Cannondale is Hand Made in USA, and Im talking that soon your going to loose your job in Belford because you are not to be transfer to TAIWAN, Im very sorry about you. :idea: :idea: :mad2:

 

What makes a Cannondale a Cannondale is Hand Made in USA, and Im talking that soon your going to loose your job in Belford because you are not to be transfer to TAIWAN, Im very sorry about you.

 

Americans dont need jobs. We can maintain trillion dollar trade deficits forever on unemployment.

 

Source?

Other than not having handmade in the USA sticker on it how do we know this bike is not made in Bedford? Or did I somehow miss that?

 

:lol:

No................ Cervelo's are most definitely not US made. They are not even US designed, the company is actually, legally, now a Swiss company with an office in Toronto.

I still can not believe people would buy a bike based on where it was manufactured. My be I'm a bit old fashioned in thinking that David Ricardo had it figured out in 1817. Who knows.....

I know I'll be riding a 2010 Super, even if it turns out to be made on the Moon.

Starnut

Starnut,
So when do you expect to throw a leg over your 2010? Still keeping that secret to yourself? My local dealer said that the 09 SuperSix Hi-Mod won't even be on their racks untill March. Is this going to be a short model year or will it be next March before I can get a SuperSix like Baso's.

I do have to say that the paint job on the Baso's bike is dead-sexy. BUT, they are pushing it on the acceptable number of logos on the bike. Cannondale: Don't be like Specialized and put a logo on every possilbe tube & surface.

 

Well I know that the 09 super6 is in some

dealers because I got the call on friday that my team 09 super is already at the shop(custom) painted as for the regular super I don't know.

Is funny I haven't seen it yet, all I know is that it will match the kit colors.:thumbsup:

 

+1, making them on the moon would be great, I just hope a 950gr frame on the moon doesn't end up being 3kg here!

Physics says that if a frame has a mass of 950g on the moon, it will have a mass of 950g on earth. Now if we talk about weight instead of mass, and use pounds or newtons instead of grams, it's a whole different matter

Basically, a 15.0 lbs bike on the moon will weight just about 6 times as much on earth, i.e. a hefty 90 pounds (thus, not very rideable). However, a bike with a mass of 6.8 kg on the moon will also have a mass of 6.8 kg here or on Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, or hell, even in the sun (just before it melts anyway).

That's because weight is a force and mass is a quantity of matter. Remember F = mg? Hint : "m" is not the dependant variable here

Edit : With that said, you may understand why the UCI has stated a weight-limit of 6.8kg? Imagine if it were 15 lbs... Someone would probably fool around claiming "well, it does weight 15 lbs... on Jupiter" to try to legalize a sub-pound bike (...please ignore the fact that this "someone" is probably trying to pass a tiny piece of tubing as a complete, competition-ready bike!)

 

:lol:

I know I'll be riding a 2010 Super, even if it turns out to be made on the Moon.

Starnut

I am all ready for the factory tour

 

So what SuperSix is Bennati riding last week?? Looks like the 2009 model.

https://img.bettiniphoto.net/image/2_0034003_1_thumb2.jpg

Bennati rides a custom geometry Super 6 and the prototypes are off the shelf geometry.

 

What makes a Cannondale a Cannondale is Hand Made in USA

Nope, you're wrong. So you're telling me that all the carbon mountain bikes Cannondale makes are not actually Cannondale because they are made in Asia? What about the Synapse carbons? Not Cannondale? They're made in Asis................

What makes Cannondale a Cannondale is what ever is unique to them......... US manufactured is not unique in the bike industry.

Or another option.......... if Cannondale sucked, were over priced, and heavy would you buy one because it's made in America? If complementary products were better, cheaper, and lighter ut Asian made would you buy it........................ (Yes I understand this is a trite argument but it does serve to prove a point.)

Starnut

 

Nope, you're wrong. So you're telling me that all the carbon mountain bikes Cannondale makes are not actually Cannondale because they are made in Asia? What about the Synapse carbons? Not Cannondale? They're made in Asis................

What makes Cannondale a Cannondale is what ever is unique to them......... US manufactured is not unique in the bike industry.

Or another option.......... if Cannondale sucked, were over priced, and heavy would you buy one because it's made in America? If complementary products were better, cheaper, and lighter ut Asian made would you buy it........................ (Yes I understand this is a trite argument but it does serve to prove a point.)

Starnut

Not that I disagree with your point, but more and more manufacturers have moved overseas. US manufactured is, if not already, becoming unique in the industry. So Cannondale has lost some of that aspect of their uniqueness.

I understand your impression of the Asian Six Carbon is that it's basically "not Cannondale," or at least what you normally expect of them. But I imagine if they were identical, but made in the States, you wouldn't consider them truly "Cannondale." (per your last statement).

Anyway, I enjoy riding my Asian-made Cannondale Synapse Carbon. I don't necessarily consider it any less of a Cannondale because of its country of origin.

But I do hope that not all production moves overseas.

 

Not that I disagree with your point, but more and more manufacturers have moved overseas. US manufactured is, if not already, becoming unique in the industry. So Cannondale has lost some of that aspect of their uniqueness.

I understand your impression of the Asian Six Carbon is that it's basically "not Cannondale," or at least what you normally expect of them. But I imagine if they were identical, but made in the States, you wouldn't consider them truly "Cannondale." (per your last statement).

Anyway, I enjoy riding my Asian-made Cannondale Synapse Carbon. I don't necessarily consider it any less of a Cannondale because of its country of origin.

But I do hope that not all production moves overseas.

Quite the contrary. The Six is a Cannodale. I compleatly agree with you that an Asian made Cannondale is every bit a Cannondale. There are bunch of elemnts that make Cannondales what they are......... one may be the country of origin..... or may not be. I expect every one of the people whinning about asian manufacturing to be riding a Trek when and if Cannondale moves the Super 6 to Asia. Unless, of course, it dosen't matter :idea:

Like I said.......... I'll be riding a 2010 Super even it was made on the moon.

Starnut

 

Silly Silly boys

:lol:

....people whinning about asian manufacturing to be riding a Trek when and if Cannondale moves the Super 6 to Asia....

Starnut

:lol:


As if you'd care! Mr. Trek Dealer!!

 

No shame in my game. And.......... do I know you or something?

I sell Trek........... in fact the list of what I do not sell is shorter than the list of what I do sell. About the only things I can not sell are Specalized, Giant, Colnago, or Felt. In fact, I actually stock (as in I have them instock in the store no special order) Trek, Cannondale, Cervelo, Scott, Kuota, Guru, Orbea, Look, Pinarello, Moots, Parlee, Blue (don't ask), De Rosa, Ridley, and a few others that we'll do special orders for or customs.

The implication is that I have some vested interest in where Cannondales are made and............ frankly, I/we could care less. It makes no difference (to us) where the bikes are manufactured.

Again.......... do I know you? You seem to know me or at least my shop (thanks for the link by the way)

Starnut

 

Other than not having handmade in the USA sticker on it how do we know this bike is not made in Bedford? Or did I somehow miss that?

Lets hope it is..... If it's not I won't be buying another supersix.

 

Not to add more fuel to the fire, but let's say Cannondale offshores all its production overseas. A fair number of colleagues here will look else where for a bicycle. What would you guys buy?

A few years ago I wen to the North American Hand Made Bicycle Show and saw some beautiful machines. However, I don't know that they would provide the performance and ride characteristics we have come to enjoy from our Cannondales.

I'm not criticizing anyone for their choices but just want to see what else is out there locally apart from the small custom manufacturers.

CHL

 

I hope Cannondale will keep some of the high end models made here in the U.S but chances are slim, I'm holding on to my System 6 and Caad 9 for now.
Look at Trek Madone made in Wis but the ride quality is not the same as Super Six, at the end it's the buyers choice to make their decision on the bike they want.

 

Made in America does mean something to me. Its one reason I bought my Super. I love my Cannondales, and dont criticize anyone for their opinion if they feel country of production is a criteria for spending Their money. Some buyers want their Italian bikes made in Italy.
I feel that with advances in cycling production technology,in near future brands are going to have a hard standing out. Cannondale wont mean any more - or less- to me, than brand x,y,z when looking for my next ride.

 

To quote a friend of mine

Made in America does mean something to me. Its one reason I bought my . Some buyers want their Italian bikes made in Italy.

I want my porsche build by GUNTHER.:thumbsup: and thats that.

Is funny because for people from other countries made in USA is very important it has value and quality, here most want cheap.

The inovation that most talk about been overseas left this country, so well see where this will take us. Actually we are seeing it right now, we are(have) become a service country.

 

Basso's new GT Schwinngoose

I want my porsche bulid by GUNTHER.:thumbsup: and thats that.

Is funny because for people from other countries made in USA is very important it has value and quality, here most want cheap.

The inovation that most talk about been overseas left this country, so well see where this will take us. Actually we are seeing it right now, we are(have) become a service country.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Made in America does mean something to me. Its one reason I bought my Super. I love my Cannondales, and dont criticize anyone for their opinion if they feel country of production is a criteria for spending Their money. Some buyers want their Italian bikes made in Italy.
I feel that with advances in cycling production technology,in near future brands are going to have a hard standing out. Cannondale wont mean any more - or less- to me, than brand x,y,z when looking for my next ride.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

<b>RIGHT ON </b>

<b>DOREL</b> needs to get the message that if someone want's a bargain @$$-bike then let those consumers go for their <b>naaaaasty farmed out watered down diluted trashed and foul, cheapo *chaiwanese* carbon brands:

<i>Schwinns, GT's or Mongoose's. </i></b>

Keep the C-dales Bedford/USA proper...otherwise it's

"gee, look at Basso's new..

ahem..."

<b>GT SCHWINN-GOOSE-<i>ondale</i>...</b>






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