[smokersteve]

Now, about that di2 only 12sp 105 stuff...

$1900+ for 105 groupset is beyond ridiculous even for di2.
A few years ago I bought my wife a new specialized carbon road bike with mechanical 105 for $1300

 

[Lombard]

$1900+ for 105 groupset is beyond ridiculous even for di2.
A few years ago I bought my wife a new specialized carbon road bike with mechanical 105 for $1300

Define "a few years". Sounds like 2000-2010. In case you haven't heard, inflation is rampant due to supply chain issues as well as other issues.

 

[smokersteve]

Define "a few years". Sounds like 2000-2010. In case you haven't heard, inflation is rampant due to supply chain issues as well as other issues.

2018…so a few years plus one

 

[DaveG]

$1900+ for 105 groupset is beyond ridiculous even for di2.
A few years ago I bought my wife a new specialized carbon road bike with mechanical 105 for $1300

I'd like to try electric shifting but I'm way too cheap and the price difference is huge. Hoping it's just a fad

 

[Lombard]

I'd like to try electric shifting but I'm way too cheap and the price difference is huge. Hoping it's just a fad

I really doubt it's a fad. That's the way we're going like it or not. I myself have no interest in it, but I think eventually 105 and above will be e-shifting only.

 

[DaveG]

I really doubt it's a fad. That's the way we're going like it or not. I myself have no interest in it, but I think eventually 105 and above will be e-shifting only.

Agree its here to stay but unless the price difference is far less there will always be mechanical. There are way more bikes sold at lower price points

 

[Lombard]

Agree its here to stay but unless the price difference is far less there will always be mechanical. There are way more bikes sold at lower price points

I think you will see the price differential shrink in time, just like with any other technology.

 

[tlg]

. Hoping it's just a fad

Absolutely not a fad. You can't even buy high end Sram or Shimano mechanical. Been that way for a while. There's no going back.

 

[DaveG]

Absolutely not a fad. You can't even buy high end Sram or Shimano mechanical. Been that way for a while. There's no going back.

Absolutely not a fad. You can't even buy high end Sram or Shimano mechanical. Been that way for a while. There's no going back.

I worry that Di2 is directly responsible for SkyNet becoming self-aware

 

[Notvintage]

. . “but I'm way too cheap . .”

Nope. Just not a gullible moron as most cycling consumers seem to be. The Dura Ace R9100 is so brilliant it makes u (if not stupid) wonder why bother with Di2. Crap, Peter Sagan used and won using a R9100 for the Paris Roubaix few years ago. If it’s good enough for him, I’d feel a clown using a Computerized shifter. It‘s all marketing BS, and most “roadies” lap it up like carbon rims.
I have enough computers, and I really don’t want another. Unfortunately, that’s where this crap is all heading.

 

[Catmandoo]

Nope. Just not a gullible moron as most cycling consumers seem to be. The Dura Ace R9100 is so brilliant it makes u (if not stupid) wonder why bother with Di2. Crap, Peter Sagan used and won using a R9100 for the Paris Roubaix few years ago. If it’s good enough for him, I’d feel a clown using a Computerized shifter. It‘s all marketing BS, and most “roadies” lap it up like carbon rims.
I have enough computers, and I really don’t want another. Unfortunately, that’s where this crap is all heading.

Not sure but I wonder if you could do a 105 Di2 install for less money than a DA mechanical and you'd get better shifting from Di2.

 

[pmf]

How many miles is that? I can't imagine this should ever happen before the brake tracks wear out. Could have been a rare manufacturing defect......or not.

I looked at my bike log over the weekend. Had the wheel built in 2014. Its got about 10.5k miles on it.

 

[pmf]

I'd like to get di2 on my next bike. Everyone who has it raves about it. My brother has a bike with 11-speed Ultegra di2. He says the best thing is that you never ever have to monkey with the derailers. Its always spot on.

Over the years, I've increasingly despised Shimano. It seems like their goal as a company is to make your gear obsolete as fast as possible. Campy can keep updating its components while keeping the wheels backward compatible. How come Shimano can't do that? Why is Dura Ace and Ultegra ONLY available as an electronic group? Who has $4300 to spend on a Dura Ace di2 group (unfortunately, me)? Why did they do away with 53x39 chain rings? Ever try to find a chain ring for a 9000 Shimano group? 105 used to be the bargain group. $1900 is a bargain? The current pricing of Shimano di2 is right up there with Campy EPS. When I do go electronic, I'm sticking with Campy. Progress isn't about restricting your choice set.

 

[Lombard]

I looked at my bike log over the weekend. Had the wheel built in 2014. Its got about 10.5k miles on it.

I would say that's premature for a hub flange failure unless you're a Clyde or have the strength of a pro rider.

 

[tlg]

I'd like to get di2 on my next bike. Everyone who has it raves about it. My brother has a bike with 11-speed Ultegra di2. He says the best thing is that you never ever have to monkey with the derailers. Its always spot on.

This is true. I have 3 Di2 bikes. I haven't adjusted a derailleur in years. (I've never needed to after originally setup)
Not only don't you have to monkey with derailleurs, you don't have to replace cables and housing.
Which also means your don't have to replace bar tape just because you replace housings.
A savings of hundreds of dollars over the lifespan. Well offsets the higher cost of Di2.
The non maintenance is priceless IMO.

Why is Dura Ace and Ultegra ONLY available as an electronic group?

Because that's the way of the future. You know SRAM hasn't offered their Red group in mechanical since 2019. You can't buy SRAM RED, Force, or Rival in 12sp mechanical. Only eTap. They were this way before Shimano.

Who has $4300 to spend on a Dura Ace di2 group (unfortunately, me)?

Sram Red sold for $3,600 in 2019. It's over $4,000 now.

 

[pmf]

I would say that's premature for a hub flange failure unless you're a Clyde or have the strength of a pro rider.

Well. we all know you have your opinions -- and are more than willing to share them.

Its sports equipment. The stuff beaks from time to time. I have another set of T11 hub wheels I bought in 2011 that have well over double that mileage. Sheet happens, I guess.

 

[202cycle]

Well. we all know you have your opinions -- and are more than willing to share them.

Its sports equipment. The stuff beaks from time to time. I have another set of T11 hub wheels I bought in 2011 that have well over double that mileage. Sheet happens, I guess.

Also, hub flange failures can be attributed to poor wheel building, over tightening spokes, radial lacing etc.

 

[pmf]

Also, hub flange failures can be attributed to poor wheel building, over tightening spokes, radial lacing etc.

Wheels were built by Psimet (PSIMET Custom Wheels - PSIMET Custom Wheels). It's a reputable outfit I've used several times. Not radially laced. In general, it seems that wheels have far more spoke tension than they used to years ago. Then again, I haven't had to true a wheel in many years -- so maybe that's a good thing.

 

[Lombard]

Well. we all know you have your opinions -- and are more than willing to share them.

Its sports equipment. The stuff beaks from time to time. I have another set of T11 hub wheels I bought in 2011 that have well over double that mileage. Sheet happens, I guess.

You have your opinions too. I think most would agree with me that a hub flange failure at 10K miles is not normal for a quality hub. Don't know why this happened. Could have been a bad build, rare manufacturing defect or poor design. Who knows?

 

[pmf]

Warranty is only 5 years on that hub. Found a replacement on ebay. Sent it off to Pete's Wheels -- this guy is great -- going with a Pancetti rim mostly because that's about all that's available. Decided to toss the HED rim.