Is it true that Cervelo's are being made in China?
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I would guess that 99% of all the carbon fibre sporting goods (in particular frames) are made in China by either Topkey located in Xiamen China, and/or Ten Tech Composites located in Dongguan China.
Btw the box says MADE IN CHINA IN BIG HUGE FONT. See attached image. Whats the matter with that anyways? It's not like Made in USA is any better. For that matter I would say Taiwan/China and other countries have a bigger skill pool for precision manufacturing with more qualified people than USA or Canada.
Btw the box says MADE IN CHINA IN BIG HUGE FONT. See attached image. Whats the matter with that anyways? It's not like Made in USA is any better. For that matter I would say Taiwan/China and other countries have a bigger skill pool for precision manufacturing with more qualified people than USA or Canada.
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Ceramic tiles is nothing.
A friend who works at an OEM tier 1 car part manufacturer (I will not name names)... for replacement parts such as brake rotors get all the goods made in China.
If you walk into NAPA and buy brake rotors for your car there are many levels and options ranging from white box made in China for 7 dollars a rotor to Made in Italy Brembos for 50 to 60 a rotor.
Usuallly people opt for the 30 dollar made in USA/Made in Canada ones... He tells me there is zero difference between the 7 dollar ones and the 30 dollar ones. What his company does is they buy "scrap" metal from China and make the rotors. Except when they mean scrap they have the foundry cast the scrap metal into shapes of brake rotors. Get them shipped by sea to Canada. Then they take the "scrap" metal in the shapes of brake rotors, does final machining on them, engraves made in Canada on the rotor. Put it in a box also sourced from China, then ships it to the warehouse to sell to NAPA, Canadian Tire, Wagner, Raybestos... whatever.
The quality of the casting for the 30 dollar one and the 7 dollar one is the same since it came from the same foundry. The final machining is impossible to screw up and is not difficult at all.
Anything and everything is made in China these days. It all depends on how honest the corporations are in revealing it.
Even coach purses are made in China. I was at a Coach outlet store in Buffalo New York the past weekend. They were so busy they were opening boxes every 30 mins to refill the shelves. They even had the boxes piled outside in the main store and not in the back. Low and behold... the boxes had "MADE IN CHINA" printed on them. So for all the ladies out there your 400 dollar purse came from the same factory that made the knock off ones you can get on the streets for 40 bucks.
A friend who works at an OEM tier 1 car part manufacturer (I will not name names)... for replacement parts such as brake rotors get all the goods made in China.
If you walk into NAPA and buy brake rotors for your car there are many levels and options ranging from white box made in China for 7 dollars a rotor to Made in Italy Brembos for 50 to 60 a rotor.
Usuallly people opt for the 30 dollar made in USA/Made in Canada ones... He tells me there is zero difference between the 7 dollar ones and the 30 dollar ones. What his company does is they buy "scrap" metal from China and make the rotors. Except when they mean scrap they have the foundry cast the scrap metal into shapes of brake rotors. Get them shipped by sea to Canada. Then they take the "scrap" metal in the shapes of brake rotors, does final machining on them, engraves made in Canada on the rotor. Put it in a box also sourced from China, then ships it to the warehouse to sell to NAPA, Canadian Tire, Wagner, Raybestos... whatever.
The quality of the casting for the 30 dollar one and the 7 dollar one is the same since it came from the same foundry. The final machining is impossible to screw up and is not difficult at all.
Anything and everything is made in China these days. It all depends on how honest the corporations are in revealing it.
Even coach purses are made in China. I was at a Coach outlet store in Buffalo New York the past weekend. They were so busy they were opening boxes every 30 mins to refill the shelves. They even had the boxes piled outside in the main store and not in the back. Low and behold... the boxes had "MADE IN CHINA" printed on them. So for all the ladies out there your 400 dollar purse came from the same factory that made the knock off ones you can get on the streets for 40 bucks.
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Every country on this planet has the capabilities of making a top notch product. Be it China, Taiwan, India, Germany, Africa, Russia, Japan, England, France... wherever.
The issue comes when the western business man goes to said country and says can you make it to these specs? The manufacturer in the foreign country usually has no problems at all. They do a year or two of manufacturing for company X. Businessman at company X says... hey next year I want 50% more units, but I'm going to pay you 25% less. Take it or leave it... That is when quality suffers.
I have many friends in manufacturing here in Canada who outsource to the Chinese in Taiwan or China. Even the factories in China are starting to decline customers from USA and starting to decline Canadians from past experiences. The manufacturers in China don't want to deal with the cut throat nature of the western corporations and rather stick with fairness offered by the Koreans, and Japanese.
Funny how even the Koreans are outsourcing to China. I remember when manufacturing in Korea was cheap. But not old enough to remember when made in Japan was crap.
Don't blame the Chinese or Foreign country who is making your products sub-par. Your Western Corporation and maybe even yourself (if you are a shareholder) hands are just as dirty as the Chinese factory that substituted 1,5-pentanediol for 1,4-pentandiol in a recent toy recall.
The issue comes when the western business man goes to said country and says can you make it to these specs? The manufacturer in the foreign country usually has no problems at all. They do a year or two of manufacturing for company X. Businessman at company X says... hey next year I want 50% more units, but I'm going to pay you 25% less. Take it or leave it... That is when quality suffers.
I have many friends in manufacturing here in Canada who outsource to the Chinese in Taiwan or China. Even the factories in China are starting to decline customers from USA and starting to decline Canadians from past experiences. The manufacturers in China don't want to deal with the cut throat nature of the western corporations and rather stick with fairness offered by the Koreans, and Japanese.
Funny how even the Koreans are outsourcing to China. I remember when manufacturing in Korea was cheap. But not old enough to remember when made in Japan was crap.
Don't blame the Chinese or Foreign country who is making your products sub-par. Your Western Corporation and maybe even yourself (if you are a shareholder) hands are just as dirty as the Chinese factory that substituted 1,5-pentanediol for 1,4-pentandiol in a recent toy recall.
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If the frame is made from metal, my observations are that the Taiwanese do better welds than mainland China. Several years ago (1/2 decade?), all the carbon fibre was made in Taiwan. Now the Taiwanese have built plants in mainland China for cheaper labour rates.
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