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GP 5000 vs Schwalbe Pro One TL comparison

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#1 · (Edited)
Continental GP 5000 Review Comparison



I've been running Schwalbe Pro one tubeless in 700x25c for two years now. I do about 10k miles a year, mostly road. Recently switched to the new GP 5000 tubeless 700x25c. My observations and experience so far, after one hilly road ride on the GP 5000's. I'm a skinny cat 2, pretty quick descender. 160lbs, 6-3". Bike 60cm Cervelo S3 disc, Light Bicycle 45mm carbon hooked bead wheelset, 21mm internal width. Very wide. Orange seal (standard).

The 700x25c Schwalbes measure 29.9mm wide on my wheels.
I usually run them around 85psi front, 90psi rear for fast club rides. 5psi lower on solo rides. I usually got around 1500 miles on rear, 2500-3000 on the front. When I wasn't being lazy, I'd rotate the tires front to back to extend the life a bit.

The Schwalbe's had average puncture resistance. Quite often little holes would self seal without me knowing it. I tossed out probably 3-4 tire prematurely from big cuts. Nothing unique to the Schwalbe as those cuts would have ruined a tube type tire as well. Ride quality was excellent. Grip also excellent although they were less grippy in cold weather. I have a few downhill KOM's so I do push the tires hard.

First impressions on the Conti GP 5000s. First off was the width. They are lower volume than the Schwalbe in the same size. Conti's measured 27.2mm on the same wheel. Inflated to the same 80/85psi I usually run, I was surprised to find that they actually damp vibration and big hits better than the larger volume Schwalbe. There is clearly some additional tech there to absorb vibration. Grip wise, I set another KOM descent on my first ride (chasing Mark Cavendish no less :p). That speaks to confidence, steering precision and grip. No flats but I have barely started riding them. I couldn't comment on rolling resistance. They felt fast but then so did the Schwalbes. One interesting thing with the 25's is that on my wheel they have that ideal shape to be ever so slightly narrower than the wheel. Recent data from a few sources shows that having the wheel a mm or two proud of the sidewall is the lowest drag. The Schwalbes in contrast, hung over the side just a wee bit. I suspect, but can't confirm, that the 700x28 GP5000 would be about the same volume as the 700x25 Schwalble Pro One


So I still have to see how the GP 5000's last and how puncture resistant they are. I'll update this thread when I have more miles on them. So far, I love them and feel they are the next generation of tubeless road tires. But damn they are expensive!
 
#3 ·
Great review, thanks. I'm also a fan of the Pro One TL but was hesitant on trying the 5k since I think it's their first road tubeless tire. Still have a small batch of other tires to try also. :)
Don't be surprised if they expand a little after a week or two.



Ok, I'll bite...Why is it a bad idea to rotate? I used to do also but now run a 23/25 combo.
 
#14 ·
I'm a tubeless fan also, in fact I first converted my old Bontrager race wheels to tubeless back when Hutchinson was the only tire player in town and Stan's sold the kit. I got the feel of a tubed 25mm tire with my tubeless 23mm in an old Tarmac frame that wouldn't fit a 25.
Weight is a non-issue for me also since they're fairly close and I carry a spare tube/CO2 whether I'm running a tube or not.
I did have a flat with tubeless about 3 years ago when the initial run of Pro One's were released and proven to be fragile, a little messy but definitely not a big deal.
 
#28 ·
Tubeless fan here too.

I'm a tubeless fan also, in fact I first converted my old Bontrager race wheels to tubeless back when Hutchinson was the only tire player in town and Stan's sold the kit. I got the feel of a tubed 25mm tire with my tubeless 23mm in an old Tarmac frame that wouldn't fit a 25. Weight is a non-issue for me also since they're fairly close and I carry a spare tube/CO2 whether I'm running a tube or not. I did have a flat with tubeless about 3 years ago when the initial run of Pro One's were released and proven to be fragile, a little messy but definitely not a big deal.
I've only run tubeless since 2018, the first year when I went over 4k miles in a year. On the first 6mile ride on the first set of Schwalbe Pro One 25, I dodged a small piece of L-shaped metal and the front wheel/tire missed it, but the rear wheel did not. It put a 1 inch gash on the sidewall, and I insta-flatted. Messy, orange sealant everywhere. Luckily, I had a spare tube and a boot to get back home. After replacing the rear tire with another Schwalbe, this time a Pro One 28, I rode the remaining 4k miles on that tire. No flats in the remaining 4k miles. *** A few weeks ago, I decided to replace the rear tire, as the Schwalbe is clearly worn. The thread is squared-off. Stupid me, I decided to replace the rear tire a few hours before a long ride. Without an air compressor/tank. Needless to say, I was unable to get the Schwalbe Pro One 28 to seat into my HED Belgium+. So, I put a tube in the rear tire and hoped for the best. The ride was in the wet rain and of course, all manner of road debris would wash towards the shoulder of the road. After 80miles into the ride, I get a puncture, in the rear tire, where I have a tube. Luckily, I had a spare tube. But 5 miles after that, I get a slow leak. Time to patch the original tube, and this one let me finish the ride. After finishing the ride, I inspect the bike and I see a 1/4inch and 1/8 inch metal sliver in my front tire. I pull these out, and the sealant seals these up toot-sweet. The rear tire with the tube has gone flat, a few hours after the ride, probably another metal sliver or my patch job wasn't too good. I, for one, would welcome the day when there is a road tubeless standard that is easy to mount, easy to install (bead-seat) and sealant-optional. Maybe in a few years.
 
#16 ·
forget tubeless! Latex tube plus vittoria corsa or veloflex at the front for feel and control. Latex tube and Vittoria rubino or Conti at the rear for longevity.

Throwing out tubeless prematurely because of big cuts.... will get expensive.
Go tubeless when you start to run 32c or bigger tires at lower psi.

and rolling resistance isn't all that important at speed. Wind resistance from tire profile is MUCH more important at speed, has something to do with square of speed. The Conti, having a smaller overall width, will always give a better wind resistance profile than the fatter Schwable.
 
#17 ·
I think you are in the wrong thread. The riders that clicked in have already decided to run tubeless and might be interested in user experiences between two of the top tires.

Whether to go tubeless or not is valid question and great subject for a new thread.

And latex tubes, really? Really expensive, virtually no puncture resistance, virtually impossible to patch and oh yes, more rolling resistance that a state of the art tubeless.

Like cxwrench, I would encourage you to actually try a modern tubeless setup for a few hundred miles before you toss the baby out with the bathwater.
 
#26 ·
1200 mile update

After about 1200 miles on the GP5000 TL's, much of it in the rain, it seems they are far more puncture resistant than the Schwalbe Pro One's. I would always have cuts in the tread of the Schwalbes by the time I took them off. No cuts in the GP5000's. That's weird given how much riding in crap road conditions I did in January. Had two slow punctures on the GP5000 TL that sealed themselves quickly, only one of which required I stop and top off the tire with the mini pump. The other only lost maybe 20psi then sealed for good so I never stopped.

Not scientific but based on long history with the Schwalbe Pro One TL and a solid rainy month on the GP5000 TL, my opinion is the the GP5000 is far more puncture and cut resistant. Wear so far, is better than the Pro One too. Looks like it will go 2000 miles or so. Pro One never got past 1500 on my bike.
 
#33 ·
After about 1200 miles on the GP5000 TL's, much of it in the rain, it seems they are far more puncture resistant than the Schwalbe Pro One's. I would always have cuts in the tread of the Schwalbes by the time I took them off. No cuts in the GP5000's. That's weird given how much riding in crap road conditions I did in January. Had two slow punctures on the GP5000 TL that sealed themselves quickly, only one of which required I stop and top off the tire with the mini pump. The other only lost maybe 20psi then sealed for good so I never stopped.

Not scientific but based on long history with the Schwalbe Pro One TL and a solid rainy month on the GP5000 TL, my opinion is the the GP5000 is far more puncture and cut resistant. Wear so far, is better than the Pro One too. Looks like it will go 2000 miles or so. Pro One never got past 1500 on my bike.

which sealant do you use?

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#30 ·
Thanks for the 1200mile review.

I have noticed that the Schwalbe Pro Ones do get a lot of cuts on the tread, at least in my situation.

One point though is that the Conti GP5000s are for hooked rims only, which is fine for aluminum wheels. I'm eyeing the ENVE SES4.5AR rims for my next build but these are hookless rims, so the Conti's are not recommended, only the Schwalbe's.

Bontrager Aeolus Pro 3V are hooked rims.
 
#31 ·
I would like to know what is the purpose of hookless rims? Is there any advantage to this design?
 
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#42 ·
Picked up a pair of gp5000 TL 25c today but the just won’t fit my rims... can just about get the first bead onto the rim.

Unfortunately they’ll have to go back.
What rims, if I may ask? Hook bead tubeless specific I presume.

Mine can just about be put on bare handed. Easier than the Schwalbe's were and way easier than the Hutchinson TL I tied a few years back. China Carbon tubeless, 21mm internal. Acebike I think.
 
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