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A brand few people are familiar with that makes tubeless tires is IRC. They actually offer several 25c tubeless tires, with the downsides that most models are pricey and are more difficult to find here in the USA.

I have been riding their 25c Roadlite which was very reasonably priced for about 500 hard miles now and am overall very pleased with them. Not trying to be a schill for them but at least theier 25c tires have been out for awhile now and have a pretty good reputation for quality.

Edit: These tires have VERY big volume too. Mine measure 27mm wide on Pacenti SL23 rims.
 
You are exactly right!!

Start by saying this is my first post. Found this thread searching for problems for Fusion 3 25's.

Thousand of miles on Fusion 3 23's with great success...purchase the 25's and ride for approximately 500 miles, then boom. It is not coincidence or bad luck. The 25's have issues. My front has a giant bubble. The rear popped, then the fluid wouldn't seal puncture. While the rear could have been road debris (I was cooling down in a parking lot and moving very slowly, stopped and couldn't find anything that could have punctured tire), the front doesn't receive the benefit of the doubt...it is a problem with the tire.
 
Hutchinson warrantied tires

Start by saying this is my first post. Found this thread searching for problems for Fusion 3 25's.

Thousand of miles on Fusion 3 23's with great success...purchase the 25's and ride for approximately 500 miles, then boom. It is not coincidence or bad luck. The 25's have issues. My front has a giant bubble. The rear popped, then the fluid wouldn't seal puncture. While the rear could have been road debris (I was cooling down in a parking lot and moving very slowly, stopped and couldn't find anything that could have punctured tire), the front doesn't receive the benefit of the doubt...it is a problem with the tire.
Your experience is almost exactly the same as mine. After a number of emails, and facebook posts, I was able to get my 25's replaced with 23's under warranty. I did not want anymore 25's until they figure out what is wrong with the batch I got. I had them examined by an experienced shop mechanic in addition to my own impression. My failures were not random mishaps, these were casing defects. Hutchinson is no doubt looking into it, but they probably cannot publicly make any statement yet.
 
It's a TOOMA !

I saw this post before I mounted my 700x25's; I purchased this Spring, and said oh s#&t. I hope he had bad luck or didn't know what he was doing when mounting tires. Mounted my rear tire 2-3 weeks ago,and my front tire last week......got home from 60 mile ride Sat. morning and noticed a bulge in the crown area(top) of the rear tire......separation and air migration under tread,no injury. I thought I was through mounting/installing sealant for a while. Loved the way the true 25 Fusion 3 rode,and I have not had any problems out of the 23's in the past 2 years. I don't think I had one flat in the past two years,one valve stem problem that was my fault for not changing out when I knew it had a problem. Let's see,take the rear off,put the front on rear wheel(don't trust on front),put my last 23 on front wheel.

By the way,anyone have the Hutchinson rep's email?
 
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Original thread starter here...

FWIW, I rode all summer on Conti 4000s, biding my time to get my hands on the Schwalbe One Tubeless tire in a 25mm. Finally got the tires about a week ago and put 250 miles on them this week in a variety of conditions. Interestingly enough I got a small gash in the rear tire, about 3 miles into a 110 mile bike ride this morning (and the gash causing object was embedded in the tire). The gash didn't seal at first, then did. Rode a couple of miles and sealant was everywhere. Applied some crazy glue to the outside to help embolize the gash and then sealant was able to do its job for 50 miles. Again, leaked, added some more crazy glue to the outside and finished the ride. At home, I applied a permanent patch to the inside of the tire.

Anyway, this is what I expect to happen with a large enough cut. I'd call this bad luck. Going back to my original post - and seeing all of the other posts in this thread - what happened wasn't bad luck on my Hutchinson 25s. I still have never received a reply from Hutchinson and I still have two practically new Fusion 25s that I'm afraid to ride (wife won't go near them as they were pulled from her bike). Anyone feel lucky? PM me for a great deal ;-)
 
Anyway, this is what I expect to happen with a large enough cut. I'd call this bad luck.
Not totally, some tires are more cut prone than others. From my experience with the Schwalbe Ones (several thousand miles with both 23c and 25c versions) versus 4 other tubeless brands I've used, they were by a wide margin the most cut prone tires.
 
I bought a set of the Fusion3 tires last month and also had a failure (?). I mounted them on Dura Ace C24 wheels and only made it 150 miles before the rear tire started hissing at me and pee'd Stan's all over my leg and the frame. It finally somewhat plugged the leak when the tire was really low. It would not take any more air without blowing the Stan's "plug" out. I was 65 miles into a century and had to limp back on a low tire via a shortcut. I didn't try a patch because the tires are a ***** to mount and I only had one CO2 left, or a tube because I wasn't sure if it would just bulge out through the hole plus I did not feel like getting Stan's goo all over.

The leak is a little flap of tire that appears to penetrate the tire at an angle - honestly can't tell if it's a cut or the tire split/opened up.
I've never had a tire get cut in many years and probably >20k miles, just had holes poked in them and that hasn't happened in a long time since I typically run either GP4000s or Gatorskins.

I was on a relatively clean section of road, riding in a small group and did not see or feel anything except the leaking air.

I'm still not sure what I'm going to do. I bought the tires on Ebay from "critusa" and I sent a note asking for a return/replacement. The response was that there is no return after the tires have been used. Convenient - how often do they fail before? He directed me to Hutchinson. Their website of course sends you right back to the seller/shop where you got them. I have written back to critusa to ask if they can't handle the warranty with Hutchinson and also wrote to Hutchinson but have the feeling I will be in never-never-land between these two both trying to make sure the customer comes in last.

I really liked the ride on the tubeless set up. I just may need to toss the Fusions and get a different brand.

Scott

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I also bought a Hutchinson Fusion Tubeless 25mm tire earlier this year after getting about 3500 miles on my 23mm one in the past year. The 25mm tire blew (big cut on the tread) on the 2nd ride. I only got 60 miles out of it. All these tires should be pulled from the shelves and production halted until Hutchinson determines the cause and solves the problem.
 
As expected, "critusa" refused to handle the warranty claim and Hutchinson has ignored me so far. Now I'm stuck between a crappy Ebay Seller who won't stand behind the products he sells, and a crappy company that won't deal with customers or stand behind their own products.

Buyer beware!!!

So - what tubeless ties, preferably in a 25 size, will hold up to actual riding and have others had luck with?

Scott
 
As expected, "critusa" refused to handle the warranty claim and Hutchinson has ignored me so far. Now I'm stuck between a crappy Ebay Seller who won't stand behind the products he sells, and a crappy company that won't deal with customers or stand behind their own products.

Buyer beware!!!

So - what tubeless ties, preferably in a 25 size, will hold up to actual riding and have others had luck with?

Scott
Had the same problem with some Look pedals I got online. Bought them from Merlin Cycles in the UK and had issues with them (carbon spring broke). Look USA would NOT warranty the pedals so I had to ship them back to Merlin Cycles who did manage to warranty them under the European Look branch. Kudos the Merlin, shame on Look! Is it unreasonable to expect a company to stand behind their product no matter where you bought the merchandise from?

As far as good 25c tubeless tires, after my Schwalbe Ones wear out I'm switching back to 25c IRC Roadlites. IMO they are very cut resistant, roll reasonably quick, and are manufactured extremely well.
 
cooskull,

Thanks! I've been eyeballing those - although they're pricey. (or maybe I'm just cheap..)

Scott
IME they can be found for $60-$70 USD each, though that lower number is from smaller EBAY sellers with whom you may not want to risk warranty issues with again.

One potential gotcha, those tires are very wide when mounted and may cause rubbing issues with many frame/wheel combos.
 
Update - while the Ebay seller I got my Fusion 3's from was not helpful at all, Hutchinson did finally come back and sent me a warranty form. (it might have helped that I sent a link to this thread....:thumbsup:). I filled it out and returned it along with a pic of the damaged tire and they have informed me they are sending a warranty replacement. I haven't seen a ship notice or received a tire yet but it appears to be in the works. This would be a good sign to me that they will stand behind the product.

We will see how this plays out and hope the replacement tire doesn't do any spontaneous leaking.

Scott
 
Update - while the Ebay seller I got my Fusion 3's from was not helpful at all, Hutchinson did finally come back and sent me a warranty form. (it might have helped that I sent a link to this thread....:thumbsup:). I filled it out and returned it along with a pic of the damaged tire and they have informed me they are sending a warranty replacement. I haven't seen a ship notice or received a tire yet but it appears to be in the works. This would be a good sign to me that they will stand behind the product.

We will see how this plays out and hope the replacement tire doesn't do any spontaneous leaking.

Scott
Same thing, got my replacement tires Friday.
 
Interesting thread indeed.

I too am a fairly long time DA WH7900 TL and Fusion 3 23 user and I have recently crossed over to the 25s. I have experienced more flats/failures with the 25s than I ever have with the 23s. One specific event has me baffled whereas after installing a brand new 25 and a few hundred miles on it I noticed a bulge developing on my rear tire. After inspection it had looked like a puncture, however the sealant had apparently caused a bubble underneath the tread and caused this bulge to develop. No apparent cut inside the tire, just a small hole on the exterior. I was able to pinch the sealant out and flatten the area, but not wanting to take any chances I just replaced it.

To the poster who commented on the Hutchinson tire repair patches, I have also found them to be a waste. After applying inside of one tire it apparently failed to hold and the patch just broke. Maybe the Park Tool tube patch kits are the way to go?

At first I thought my experience was just happen stance, but reading over these experienced do have me concerned. I love the feel of the 25s and hope that Hutchinson USA does respond in some sort of a official way.

Paul
 
One specific event has me baffled whereas after installing a brand new 25 and a few hundred miles on it I noticed a bulge developing on my rear tire. After inspection it had looked like a puncture, however the sealant had apparently caused a bubble underneath the tread and caused this bulge to develop. No apparent cut inside the tire, just a small hole on the exterior. I was able to pinch the sealant out and flatten the area, but not wanting to take any chances I just replaced it.

To the poster who commented on the Hutchinson tire repair patches, I have also found them to be a waste. After applying inside of one tire it apparently failed to hold and the patch just broke. Maybe the Park Tool tube patch kits are the way to go?
Like this?





It's the sealant getting between the layers of the tyre. Those are Maxxis tyres in the pictures but I've also had it happen to Continental mtb tyres. It has only happened to tyres that I've had lying around for a year or so though. I've not had it happen to any road tubeless tyres yet.

Regular, glued on rubber tube repair patches work fine on road tubeless tyres. Clean up the inside and apply the patch just how you would on a tube.
 
For those who are not thrilled about the quality of the new Fusion 25 tires, it looks like they are planning to use that compound through their current and expanding product line. I have had a set with less than 200mi go bad and am waiting for a response from their warranty dept.
SOC15: Hutchinson could take cyclocross tires wider for gravel, plus changes to road tires coming
Actually this is the quote from the article. Not quite what you posted.

"For road, the Fusion 700×28 will soon come in 26 and 32 millimeter widths, too. For 2016-ish, they’re working on an entiry new compound (likely Fusion 5) that’ll find its way across the line eventually for both tube and tubeless tires."

I've been using Secteurs and they have been extremely good so far. I had Intensive and Fusion 2s in the past that I wasn't a fan of. Honestly, I think road tubeless technology is best applied with larger tires (28mm and up) where tire pressure is significantly lower (I run 60psi).
 
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