I'm no expert either. But...

1) Fork shape not correct (aero profile at the head tube junction on the real Dogma2)
2) No front derailleur hanger
3) No holes on down tube for internal cables
4) Rear derailleur hanger wrong
5) Seat tube collar wrong
6) BB most likely wrong

And on and on.

Besides, why would someone be selling a brand new real Dogma 2 that lists for somewhere near $6,000 for a mere $2,000? That's the only question you really need to answer.

Run away. Fast.

 

no interest personally.

just bringing it up for the Pinarello people around here in case anyone wants to report it to ebay.

 

Fake

Real Dogma2 has internal derailleur cables and teardrop seatpost.
Lots of other details wrong but those two stand out.

 

I agree it's fake... I checked the guys history and he sells bike parts....Interesting that he's willing to jeopardize his feedback selling an obviously fake frame...

 

It's a FAKE!!

 

It's been relisted as a replica. someone must have called it in as a fake

2012 PINARELLO DOGMA 2 60.1 CARBON ROAD BIKE FRAME AND FORK HEADSET | eBay

same $2000 price tho

and after it sold

 

It's a Fake....

 

Whoever did that frame didn't really come close...Obvious fake.

 

Someone paid $1800 for a fake Dogma frame!!! One born every minute!!

 

sad, i did what i could

 

PINARELLO DOGMA 60.1 SHIMANO 105 5700 AND EASTON EC90 SLX WHEELS. | eBay

another fake one!!! sad because i'm trying to sell my frame and this guy makes it look like it's a real bike.

 

I see he describes it as "OEM TAIWAM " which is misleading at best.

Why not report it as counterfeit?

I did my bit on the earlier one.

 

I just reported the above bike and made note of why it's fake in the report.

 

Why would you buy a Pinarello on eBay?

If it is too good to be true, then trust your gut feeling. It will never fail you.

 

haha, hey, easy there I have been trying to sell my dogma frame for 2 months now, for a good price, but these fake ones get sold and no one can tell the difference. so frustrating. There are good bikes on ebay that are real and true (like mine).

 

i think its fake!

 

Putting this link in from another thread - sorry for double posting, but it's very relevant to this thread.

Princes, thieves and make-believe | Pinarello fights for its name «

 

That is a fantastic article. Most importantly, it illustrates the idea that these frames are not "back door" inventory at all.

Good for pinarello as well.

 

Nooooooo

The logo on the seat stay above the rear brake doesn't look right and doesn't match the one on the headtube. The overall graphics don't look right either.

Do not touch it!

 

I am amazed that this discussion is still going. This is clearly a fake.

The fork on the Dogma 2 is completely different. This is a fake Dogma 2 paint job on a fake Dogma 1.

This not OEM Taiwan or anything else. The OEM stuff is garbage. This is likely made in Guangdong or Fujian, China.

 

You do realise that 'OEM' stands for Original Equipment Manufacturing? That means you are saying that Pinarello frames (made by an OE manufacturer in Asia) are garbage.

I'm sure that's not what you meant, just pointing out the error

 

It doesn't even come close as a replica. My cat can tell the difference at 15 feet.

 

Definitely a fake.

 

This one's a fake. Pinarello Dogma | eBay
I just hate it when they try to pass a fake one for a real one.

 

Config,

How can you tell? Just ordered a Paris from my LBS but would like to be able to tell the difference.

 

It'll probably come from Gita the US distributor for Pinarello. The bike will have a serial number and a packet of info telling you how to register it. I doubt if the shop will knowingly sell you a counterfeit Pinarello.

 

Bill,

Sorry, I meant the ebay link.

 

i wonder how the fake one would perform against the real one. Now if the fake one is 90% within of the real's performance, then I'm sorry to say this but lots of fools overpaid for the real ones.

 

Ten percent is quite a difference in performance, and a competent rider will notice the difference. I'd cut-up a known fake into small peices and trash it. I'd never ride it because I'd expect it to fail at any minute.

 

if it has pinarello label, it is fake. if it is unpainted it is legit.

 

Please explain your post.

Do you mean if it has a sticky back label it is fake, but if it has the stylized "P" silver badge on the head tube it is ligit? If what is unpainted?